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**The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Discussion Thread**

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Wasn't the best show and had flaws that have already been stated here, but I thought it was fine. Bucky's story arc was my favorite part of the series.
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I think I will give spellman the benefit of the doubt for his film. He presented some great action sequences, and the character moments were top notch. I think any negatives regarding the overall plot can tie back to COVID and changed to the production story. I also think we might appreciate some of the Sharon stuff at a future point.
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Just started the show, and am going to binge it this weekend.

Excited to get started.
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fig96 said:

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.If we'd painted the GRC as not a relatively benign organization but one that was actually nefarious and doing things behind the scenes for other purposes, there'd be way more reason to understand where the Flag Smashers were coming from, introduce more shades of gray and maybe even get Sam/Bucky/Sharon involved in exposing that plot (a la Winter Soldier).

That would give Sam far more "I agree with you" context while still not being on board with Karli's methods.
The problem with that is that it's been done time and time again in the MCU. The big evil government. I actually liked that they just presented them as the unprepared, overworked, rushed, and quick-triggered reactionaries who hadn't thought things completely through due to the absolutely crazy aspect of having half the world re-appear out of thin air.
That's a fair point, but I feel like we just needed something more in relation to them.

Maybe the GRC isn't truly evil, but we see some by products of their policies affecting innocent people in very negative ways. We got some isolated snippets of people and their various issues after the snap, but if those could have been more directly connected to some misguided policies we'd have a lot more reasons to at least understand the perspective of the underdog..
Some problems are impossible to solve satisfactorily, and no amount of Kumbayah 'just listen to each other' can ever result in a solution that's fair to everybody. The government doesn't have to be evil or incompetent... that's just how it is sometimes. Just because there's a bad outcome to a situation doesn't mean there's a person/group at fault. But the moment you start killing civilians to get your way, you are a villain in my book. Much of Sam's speech fell flat for me.

I thought the racial stuff was well done, and the Isaiah Bradley resolution was fantastic. Sam's interjecting his Pollyanna let's just get along thing was eye rolling to me, but hey, it's a super hero show, so no worries. It was a fun watch that my whole family looked forward to all week.
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It might have worked better if that Senator had a name and a few scenes here or there, just to get some visability to whatever the GRC were doing.

If you can convince one influential person he's wrong, maybe you can make change. But trying to convince a bunch of faceless characters they're wrong about a thing we haven't seen just comes across as standing on a soap box.
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I think the virus re-writes COMBINED with the death of Black Panther forced Disney and MCU into making Falcon not only captain america, but the superhero to carry on black panthers banner too.
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They shot the vast majority of this before Chadwick Boseman died.
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TCTTS said:

They shot the vast majority of this before Chadwick Boseman died.


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This is where I think the virus could have added some justification to the Flag Smashers.

If the refugees were being denied vaccines while crowded in camps, you could see how someone would be willing to kill to get vaccines and there would be a degree of sympathy.

I imagine Mama Daya (sp?) could have actually had a scene or two as well to make it seem like a worthwhile objective for everyone to go back and visit her.
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The site show really could have used a couple more episodes. 1 focusing on Walker, with a flashback to his time in the military dealing with whatever battle he lost so many men...and 1 dealing with a reason for the flagsmashers to get going.

edit: that feeling when you find an auto correct typo 3.5 hours late
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I can't take John Walker seriously. He sounds like a diplomatic Paul Scheer.

I do love the Captain America: Winter Soldier callbacks with the score and tone. I wish the fight choreography was as good.
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Just finished my binge (started earlier today, stopped for the spring game, and turned it back on after my daughter went to bed).

Sam was overly preachy throughout the series. Maybe it's because I can't stand Mackie.

Sebastian Stan was awesome as Bucky. I'm glad Sam got the shield, and love the new uniform. Him having Falcon tech and the shield gives him a cool added dimension that Rogers didn't have.

I think the Sharon Carter credit scene is going to lead into Armor Wars. I mean, they even had Cheadle make a cameo in the first episode.

Overall a good series. I really liked the first four episodes the most, though. Sam had great points about being a black Captain America, and I'm glad Marvel is at least acknowledging the ramifications of the blip.
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What's wrong with Mackie?
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I have an irrational dislike of the actor, and for no good reason to be honest. Just one of those things I guess.

I really like Sam, though.
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AgfromHOU said:

I have an irrational dislike of the actor, and for no good reason to be honest. Just one of those things I guess.

I really like Sam, though.


There's your demographic that hates him picking up the shield!
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Lol yes of course. I know you're joking, but here's a post I made opening night of Endgame:

AgfromHOU said:

There was a black couple in front of me wearing Captain America shirts on opening night. They went nuts when he put the shield on. It was really cool to see.

First a great ending for their favorite character. Then to see him pass the shield to someone that looks like them? So awesome.
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Did anyone else find it odd when Bucky pulls up to the tower with the hostages inside and a cop lets him thru with a "hey, sergeant Barnes!"?
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Yes. Prior to that I was like, "they gonna just let him walk in?"

Edit: then again, Karli and her group of wanted idiots somehow go from Riga to NYC. Post snap homeland security sucks.
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There were so many little things like that. My understanding was that Bucky was pardoned, but wasn't working with the government in any official capacity whatsoever. He literally volunteers last second to go on that mission with Sam in episode two. And then all the sudden the cops are welcoming him like he's an Avenger or something. Another thing that was likely affected by the Covid changes.
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Bucky not being military is one thing. Bucky being recognized by NYPD is quite another. He fought against Thanos in the most epic battle of all time at the Avengers' facility in upstate New York, is from NYC, served in WWII, and has long been known as Cap's best friend. Those guys see him show up somewhere it's like if they were working the rope at a VIP party and suddenly Joe Dimaggio walked up without an invitation. They wouldn't even think twice about letting him in.
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True.
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The oddest random thing to me was Zemo putting the guilt trip on Sam and Bucky for Sokovia when neither were even remotely responsible for anything that happened there.
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Fat Bib Fortuna said:

AgfromHOU said:

I have an irrational dislike of the actor, and for no good reason to be honest. Just one of those things I guess.

I really like Sam, though.


There's your demographic that hates him picking up the shield!
To be fair, he did go to Cranbrook - that's a private school!
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just watched episode 6 and it was good. The show writers pretty much gave everyone a happy ending.

I liked seeing the Cap-Falcon combo suit. That gives Sam an edge and differentiates him from the previous Cap.

really glad to see the U.S. Agent turn out okay. He ended up being my favorite character. Had not expected that going in.

also glad to see the Flag Smashers gone. For season 2 (assuming there is one)...Marvel Studios needs to dig a little deeper into Cap's rouge's gallery.

in the meantime it will be interesting to see where these characters pop up next
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Quote:

Also, my wife went from hot for Bucky to hot for Zemo. So, guys, there is hope for all of us.


Those sweet dance moves are irresistible
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Fightin TX Aggie
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It's like a plane trip where this couple behind you has a disruptive, belligerent toddler. You don't really hate the toddler, because obviously the parents (writers) are responsible, but you are still really happy when the damn kid shuts up and falls asleep.

That's how I feel about Karli dying.
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I am offended by the poor selection of 'new' Captain America. He isn't attractive and I miss real Captain America.
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Max Power said:

When Sam says "I'm Captain America" and every subsequent mention of Captain America I was really hoping to hear Negasonic Teenage Warhead say "Trainee" but I guess this isn't Deadpool 2.
I had the same thought with WandaVision but in this instance, whenever Dir Hayward introduced himself as "Director Hayward", someone would say "Acting Director"
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Also, I had earlier assumed the new suit would be all black so was surprised it wasn't. I really liked it but agree with others the "head" portion looks a bit weird now with just the goggles. It looked fine when he was Falcon, but not so much now.
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I bet we see a toned-down version of the suit going forward. The originals always seem to be more "comic-y" than later versions.
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I mean, the suit was made by foreigners.

They were probably like

"How do Americans dress?"

"I don't know, red white and blue?"

He's lucky they didn't include six shooters (instead of SMGs).
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