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60 MINUTES this Sunday...[UFO Report]

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RAB87 said:

This is really the story of the evolution of "journalism", aka "fake news". The graduates of this program largely make failing grades in at least two other majors. Their curriculum includes no STEM courses, yet they proclaim "science is real". The latest trends around UFOs are nothing more than the imagination of low IQ, low ambition "journalism" majors.


I hate the media as much as anyone, but you're missing the point. UFO's are real, there's more and more proof getting out. What are they? Who knows, but the very credible witnesses say they're nothing that is common or commonly known in human technology.
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I feel like this needs to be said...

Just b/c the military tells us they haven't identified some of these things doesn't mean they actually haven't. Different levels of clearance across different branches of service practically guarantees that some random pilot in the navy will have no idea what kind of secret tech we've developed.
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AMW2010 said:

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So last nights storm in Houston was pretty insane. I got caught driving home in the middle of it. Power out on the street and TONS of lightning... I wonder what something outside this earth would think of a crazy lightning storm like last night had they never seen anything like that before... hell maybe they've never seen rain or hail either
I would think they would understand that. It's just condensation and static electricity.


Until a bolt of lightning strikes their ship and sends them back in time! Lol
So if it sends them back to 1885...do we get the real version of "Cowboys & Aliens"?

But if we're going to assume so much that we don't know about these...visitors...why not just assume they have the ability to repel lighting or at least have the "1985 components, thus restoring the time machine to perfect working order"?
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RAB87 said:

This is really the story of the evolution of "journalism", aka "fake news". The graduates of this program largely make failing grades in at least two other majors. Their curriculum includes no STEM courses, yet they proclaim "science is real". The latest trends around UFOs are nothing more than the imagination of low IQ, low ambition "journalism" majors.
Do I think most journalists are motivated by group-think and the desire to get ratings/clicks today? Absolutely. Look no further than that clip of Jack Tapper being snarky and claiming "well there was just so much bad news in 2020 we didn't have time to cover this". The media created much of the hysteria we saw from the virus, protests, and fake political scandals in 2020. The UFO thing was actually something of real news that wasn't made a priority because of the media being in "OJ chase" or "plane crash" mode.

That being said, if the military personnel are saying they see things they can't identify, I don't think they're lying for attention or trying to push an agenda like much of the media does today.
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It's fun to believe, so I do.

Why does everyone say the existence of extraterrestrials would send the whole world into a tail spin and even end religion as we know it? I don't think it's some authoritative fact (from governments and even "divine" sources) that humans are necessarily alone.

Why would people start committing suicide as one poster mentioned? I just don't see it. And I'm not trying to be religious here and derail, but I'm sure most religions could interpret extraterrestrials as being consistent with their religions. I mean Ezekiel has been cited for many years as essentially documenting an extraterrestrial encounter.

Anyways, I believe. want to believe. Disclosure sounds great bring it on!
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BenFiasco14 said:

It's fun to believe, so I do.

Why does everyone say the existence of extraterrestrials would send the whole world into a tail spin and even end religion as we know it? I don't think it's some authoritative fact (from governments and even "divine" sources) that humans are necessarily alone.

Why would people start committing suicide as one poster mentioned? I just don't see it. And I'm not trying to be religious here and derail, but I'm sure most religions could interpret extraterrestrials as being consistent with their religions. I mean Ezekiel has been cited for many years as essentially documenting an extraterrestrial encounter.

Anyways, I believe. want to believe. Disclosure sounds great bring it on!
I think for some people, they are motivated on this topic by a deep-seeded resentment of religion. Whether it's because of politics, their parents beliefs, negative experiences...they're quick to dismiss religion and religious accounts. So when they see something interesting like UFO's and it gives them an opening, they jump to some pretty extreme conclusions because deep-down they want it to be true to justify their views.

Regardless of where people sit on this issue or other supernatural beliefs...nothing is without some degree of faith. It's clear there's more to our world/universe/creation than meets the eye and what our human minds can comprehend...no matter how stubborn we are by assuming we know everything based on what we can see.
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Insurmountable distances and difficulties were overcome to lead people to find other people along the x and z axes. No reason to freak out if we find something along the y as well.
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As to the religious aspects of becoming aware of extraterrestrial life, I've always thought that a lot would depend on what I would call the alien "origin" story. Would they have stories similar to those of Earth's religions, would they be completely different, would they have gotten so far beyond those stories that they're forgotten, would they have the evolution/creationism debate, etc
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For Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox), and for followers of the OT views of Protestant scholar Michael Heiser, alien life is not really that much of a theological problem:

- God relates to us here on earth Sacramentally. This is, in no small part, because humans are sinful. Not necessarily true of other creations.

- "gods" have a long history of interacting with humans, across all stages of evolution - these elohims are inter-dimensional and are not necessarily angels (Hebrew: "messenger," a job description not necessarily a category of being) or fallen angels (Hebrew: "satans," or accusers)

- The Earth is very old, and elohims (say, Adam and Eve) could be hurled into space / time, to found Jerusalem and be buried where Christ Son of Man died, after the couple sin in Paradise (a place for elohims to populate after the first spirit rebellion)
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I think most people would probably figure out how to reconcile their faith with it. Unless aliens showed up and said "we made you, there is no God". That would probably not go over great.
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Imagine the "fake news" cries if that did happen, though. The denial would be off the charts, aliens would surely be labeled as "demons," etc. A certain sect of the ultra-religious would never allow themselves to believe that aliens created us, even if aliens could prove as much. Rather, it would all be labeled as a smoke and mirrors job conceived by Satan himself. In other words, it would be the wake of the 2020 election on steroids.

That said, I agree that anything short of that scenario likely/ultimately wouldn't rock people's worlds too much. Even if we find out we've been visited for the past 80 years or so, if not for thousands of years. As long it doesn't affect our day-to-day lives, or it doesn't utterly discount the divinity of Christ in some people's eyes, I think the world continues on as-is, basically, but with more context and understanding of our place in the universe.
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Spyderman said:

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Our radio emissions have only reached out to 120 light years away so far. That is only about 10% of THICKNESS of the milky way galaxy and .1% of it's width. Only about 15,000 stars have received our transmissions which is about 0.000005% of them within our galaxy alone). The chances of aliens being within that sphere AND having the technology to reach us within that time frame is pretty much zero.

So how would aliens know to come here of all places? That's like Earth being barren of all life, except for one ant hill somewhere. How would we know where to go to find those ants?
I think the better question might be why wouldn't they come here? Remember, the universe is something like 13 billion years old. What if there are civilizations out there that are millions, even likely billions of years in advance of us? Just ponder what we have done in the last 200 years of so. Life on other planets could very well be the norm instead of a rare event.

Some believe that once we split the atom and set off the first atomic bomb, that sent out a memo or sorts. Plausible given all the reported et craft "crashes" in New Mexico back in the '40s. Yeah, I might want to investigate a developing species that just accomplished that. Its documented that "they" rendered our nuclear armed ICBM's launchable back in the '60's. Obvious, at some of these cultures have our best interest at heart. Our planet is highly valued from what I hear.
The idea that alien beings could have the technology to travel hundreds or thousands of light years, bending time and space in the process, only to crash in New Mexico is hilarious to me.
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We all make mistakes.
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Rex Racer said:

Spyderman said:

aTmAg said:

Our radio emissions have only reached out to 120 light years away so far. That is only about 10% of THICKNESS of the milky way galaxy and .1% of it's width. Only about 15,000 stars have received our transmissions which is about 0.000005% of them within our galaxy alone). The chances of aliens being within that sphere AND having the technology to reach us within that time frame is pretty much zero.

So how would aliens know to come here of all places? That's like Earth being barren of all life, except for one ant hill somewhere. How would we know where to go to find those ants?
I think the better question might be why wouldn't they come here? Remember, the universe is something like 13 billion years old. What if there are civilizations out there that are millions, even likely billions of years in advance of us? Just ponder what we have done in the last 200 years of so. Life on other planets could very well be the norm instead of a rare event.

Some believe that once we split the atom and set off the first atomic bomb, that sent out a memo or sorts. Plausible given all the reported et craft "crashes" in New Mexico back in the '40s. Yeah, I might want to investigate a developing species that just accomplished that. Its documented that "they" rendered our nuclear armed ICBM's launchable back in the '60's. Obvious, at some of these cultures have our best interest at heart. Our planet is highly valued from what I hear.
The idea that alien beings could have the technology to travel hundreds or thousands of light years, bending time and space in the process, would then crash in New Mexico is hilarious to me.


Maybe like us; the aliens had their generations of idiocracy. Technology advanced exponentially and dumb increased logarithmically with each generation as they relied more and more on technology...

We have people not-driving Tesla's in autopilot mode and crashing into things too. Better technology; dumber people.
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It was 2 spacecraft and word on the street is that commander #1 slept with commander #2's wife and so #2 kamikaze'd him.
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I mean, theoretically, we could be so insignificant that we get the "student drivers" of their species.
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Rex Racer said:

Spyderman said:

aTmAg said:

Our radio emissions have only reached out to 120 light years away so far. That is only about 10% of THICKNESS of the milky way galaxy and .1% of it's width. Only about 15,000 stars have received our transmissions which is about 0.000005% of them within our galaxy alone). The chances of aliens being within that sphere AND having the technology to reach us within that time frame is pretty much zero.

So how would aliens know to come here of all places? That's like Earth being barren of all life, except for one ant hill somewhere. How would we know where to go to find those ants?
I think the better question might be why wouldn't they come here? Remember, the universe is something like 13 billion years old. What if there are civilizations out there that are millions, even likely billions of years in advance of us? Just ponder what we have done in the last 200 years of so. Life on other planets could very well be the norm instead of a rare event.

Some believe that once we split the atom and set off the first atomic bomb, that sent out a memo or sorts. Plausible given all the reported et craft "crashes" in New Mexico back in the '40s. Yeah, I might want to investigate a developing species that just accomplished that. Its documented that "they" rendered our nuclear armed ICBM's launchable back in the '60's. Obvious, at some of these cultures have our best interest at heart. Our planet is highly valued from what I hear.
The idea that alien beings could have the technology to travel hundreds or thousands of light years, bending time and space in the process, only to crash in New Mexico is hilarious to me.
Maybe the alien President was really old and out test-driving the latest model spaceship for a photo-op and his intergalactic planetary guard didn't turn the "safety" steering wheel in time.
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TCTTS said:

Imagine the "fake news" cries if that did happen, though. The denial would be off the charts, aliens would surely be labeled as "demons," etc. A certain sect of the ultra-religious would never allow themselves to believe that aliens created us, even if aliens could prove as much. Rather, it would all be labeled as a smoke and mirrors job conceived by Satan himself. In other words, it would be the wake of the 2020 election on steroids.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate this post? Willing to believe aliens exist but not that Satan and other devils/demons exist and would lie to us that they are aliens
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redline248 said:

TCTTS said:

Imagine the "fake news" cries if that did happen, though. The denial would be off the charts, aliens would surely be labeled as "demons," etc. A certain sect of the ultra-religious would never allow themselves to believe that aliens created us, even if aliens could prove as much. Rather, it would all be labeled as a smoke and mirrors job conceived by Satan himself. In other words, it would be the wake of the 2020 election on steroids.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate this post? Willing to believe aliens exist but not that Satan and other devils/demons exist and would lie to us that they are aliens

The existence of life beyond Earth is a mathematical certainty, given the vast size of the universe, sheer number of stars and habitable planets, etc. In fact, statistics tell us there have likely been thousands if not millions of advanced civilizations at one time or another in the cosmos. The only "belief" that comes into play is whether any of those civilizations have visited us or not.

As opposed to the idea that a supreme God resides in a "perfect" heaven, yet this so-called heaven was/is also a place where jealousy exists, and one of God's subordinates in this "perfect" place became so jealous that he rebelled and was kicked out, took reign over an underworld we call Hell, and for hundreds of thousands of years (never mind whatever he was doing for the billions of years prior to human existence) has been working to corrupt the human race, capture their souls, and defeat God, despite being one of the only beings to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is not only real, but is responsible for all of creation and cannot be defeated. Not to mention, this is a supernatural being who is the literal epitome of evil, yet whose only apparent tools are corruption and influence and disguising himself as a snake. Not to mention, his minions can also maybe possess the bodies of humans? At least, only until someone mentions Jesus' name a bunch, which annoys them so much they have no choice but to flee back to their underworld. Oh, and despite having no need for genitalia or hormones, there was a time when these minions lusted after earthly women, and were even able to have sex with them, ushering in a race of giant human-demon hybrids that we can find no historical or anthropological trace of.

Ha, I'm sorry, but one of us is basing their views on science/logic, while the other seems to be advocating a fairy tale no less fanciful than Greek mythology, but makes about as much sense.

And for the record, I believe in *a* god (of sorts), and I believe that our souls/consciousness extend past this life. What I refuse to believe in is an all-powerful, "all-loving" God who forces billions upon billions of souls into existence, gives them a wildly uneven playing field with which to come up with one "right" answer (an admission that His son is Lord and Savior), knowing full well that the vast majority of those souls will end up in Hell, which He allows to exist, ruled by a being He kicked out, from a so-called "perfect" realm in which He allowed jealousy to fester.

The whole thing is just absurd, made more so by the fact that *I'm* the one being alluded to as unreasonable in this scenario, despite being the one choosing clear logic over the existence of an ultimately sadistic God and all the contradictions that come with believing in Him.
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1st of all, that was a lot

2nd of all, that was an awful lot over a light hearted joke
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TCTTS said:



The existence of life beyond Earth is a mathematical certainty, given the vast size of the universe, sheer number of stars and habitable planets, etc. In fact, statistics tell us there have likely been thousands if not millions of advanced civilizations at one time or another in the cosmos.
I don't think that's what statistics tells us given the data set is currently 1.
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Complete Idiot said:

TCTTS said:



The existence of life beyond Earth is a mathematical certainty, given the vast size of the universe, sheer number of stars and habitable planets, etc. In fact, statistics tell us there have likely been thousands if not millions of advanced civilizations at one time or another in the cosmos.
I don't think that's what statistics tells us given the data set is currently 1.

"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
-Arthur C. Clarke
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Okay, whatever, maybe "odds" is the better term. Either way, you know what I mean.
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TCTTS said:

Okay, whatever, maybe "odds" is the better term. Either way, you know what I mean.


Yes, I know that you mean that you strongly believe in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. However, it is not a mathematical certainty and the statistics don't tell us anything. It seems likely to me too, but I wouldn't use any of that language you used to describe why it is "certain", or even likely.

You seem to really WANT to believe it, you have faith in the fact other intelligent life exists. Perhaps it makes you feel better about our own existence to believe that. Humans do like to want to know why or how we exist, and will come up with explanations as a coping mechanism against what may otherwise feel like futility.
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Man I have been enjoying this thread. The only downside is it has now made me feel like a complete nut job for believing both that life exists outside of earth and that it has never been any where near here.
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Complete Idiot said:

TCTTS said:

Okay, whatever, maybe "odds" is the better term. Either way, you know what I mean.


Yes, I know that you mean that you strongly believe in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. However, it is not a mathematical certainty and the statistics don't tell us anything. It seems likely to me too, but I wouldn't use any of that language you used to describe why it is "certain", or even likely.

You seem to really WANT to believe it, you have faith in the fact other intelligent life exists. Perhaps it makes you feel better about our own existence to believe that. Humans do like to want to know why or how we exist, and will come up with explanations as a coping mechanism against what may otherwise feel like futility.

I'm simply repeating the essence of what many credible scientists, astronomers, etc have said. I'm not just pulling all of this out of my ass. Maybe I should have said "essentially a mathematical certainty" or "close to a mathematical certainty," but whatever the language, my point is, the odds are really, really, really, really high that there are other advanced civilizations out there. Either way, I'm merely trying to underline the fact that I'm not crazy, so making this a matter of semantics is kind of irrelevant in this particular instance.
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The only "certainty" math provides us is an estimation of how rare life as advanced as humans must be if we are in fact alone in the universe. Anything else is pure speculation.
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Anything anyone in the upper echelons of the military says to the media in an official capacity is absolutely agenda driven. Everything is extremely calculated.
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"odds" is the superior phrase in that particular context.
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Regarding the silver blob in this one example it could easily be something like below. There are also drones shaped like this that exist today.



Having said that I'm remaining open minded in general on the topic. Clearly something is amiss.
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Yeah, I actually think two of the three images that 60 Minutes showed from Mystery Wire (the above included) have terrestrial explanations. For instance, this one looks EXACTLY like a Batman balloon

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TCTTS said:

Yeah, I actually think two of the three images that 60 Minutes showed from Mystery Wire (the above included) have terrestrial explanations. For instance, this one looks EXACTLY like a Batman balloon


Ha!
 
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