Is Greenland next?

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TexAgs91 said:

I heard that Denmark/Greenland sidelined for now: Multiple reports, including from Rutte himself in interviews (e.g., with Fox News), confirm that sovereignty transfer or Denmark ceding control of Greenland "did not come up" in their talks.

Is that true? Did Trump cancel the Tarrifs without even discussing transfer of any part of Greenland to the US?



you heard so it must be true. lol
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Fdsa said:

Think about this…the most indebted major country in NATO is also the one that carries the heaviest burden. This was never supposed to be the case and is not sustainable. Other countries have to spend more on their defense (sorry, cut your social program)…and the US needs to find a way to perhaps make some $$ from all the propping up we have done over the years.

really no reason to defend Europe anymore should completely cut the cord.
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nortex97 said:

But Euro's are so serious now. This guy is about right:


This is crazy if true, the Euros are not doing their part… Trump needs to keep pressure on the Euro to grow and strengthen their armies .. and yes Canada too
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Per capita and in absolute terms: Germany under-fields its population the most. The UK is modest. France is the most militarized of the three. The U.S. still carries the largest manpower burden…

We have allowed European politicians to placate their populations' desires to spend less on defense and more on social programs. That's fine - give us a way to make money in this deal and you keep your boys drinking soy lattes.
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Lathspell said:

This whole thing has been a giant nothingburger.

Trump believes these bases and our assets in Greenland is a high priority for homeland security. He was always going to use economic might to push these countries into giving him what he wanted. I'm sure he would take the entire island if they were to give it to us, but all he wants are the bases for security against Russian missiles and ships.

Sending a couple dozen NATO troops to Greenland literally did nothing. If Trump really was going to "invade" Greenland (outlandishly crazy) a couple dozen NATO troops aren't stopping him.

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3. Europe or the left whine and cry and throw a temper tantrum, calling him a Nazi and all other manner of BS. Then, they eventually cave and give him the "something", which is all he ever really wanted.

ETA: Basically, this means massive US investment into Greenland (great for Greenlanders). It cuts China and Russia out of the land, with around $5T in minerals. And it gives us better defense against ICBM's and Russian navy in the north atlantic.

ALL OF THAT IS GOOD. Why can't the leftists in this country simply agree a good thing is a good thing, lol


Do we know the details of the deal yet? It better not be that we pay for all their socialist BS and get nothing but some rented ground to put defense systems on...

I want to see something like we have exclusive rights to mine, drill, build ports, etc if we are paying for everything, and giving all of Europe defense.

Those NATO Euro countries got to start understanding it's past time for them to contribute more.
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Mine and drill? This isn't about national security? I'm shocked!
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You could argue our rising national debt is a matter of national security…
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HoustonAggie11 said:

TexAgs91 said:

I heard that Denmark/Greenland sidelined for now: Multiple reports, including from Rutte himself in interviews (e.g., with Fox News), confirm that sovereignty transfer or Denmark ceding control of Greenland "did not come up" in their talks.

Is that true? Did Trump cancel the Tarrifs without even discussing transfer of any part of Greenland to the US?



you heard so it must be true. lol


No I'm asking if it's true. What's your deal?
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I wouldn't mind being around when Antarctica is this desired as Greenland. We could theoretically speed up the global warming process to inhibit ice cap disentegration. What's the worst that could happen?

Nuke the north and south poles and let's experiment. Isn't that what the scientific method calls for? If you don't like the current data, then change it!

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Fdsa said:

You could argue our rising national debt is a matter of national security…


Agreed. Better tax some Americans.
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fullback44 said:

nortex97 said:

But Euro's are so serious now. This guy is about right:


This is crazy if true, the Euros are not doing their part… Trump needs to keep pressure on the Euro to grow and strengthen their armies .. and yes Canada too


It's not true. Have no ideal about Canada, but the part he said about Lithuania being able to field more active troops than the UK, Germany, and France is hogwash...I think he mixed up Lithuania with Ukraine.


Here's an article about the sizes of the militaries in Europe updated in October, 2025 -

Lithuania has 23,000 active and 104,000 reserves, and France alone has 200,000 Active military personell.

https://247wallst.com/military/2025/03/25/the-largest-military-on-the-european-continent-is-bigger-than-france-germany-and-the-u-k-combined/
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Some folks truly believe the best negotiating tactic in diplomatic matters is a play on Theodore Roosevelt's famous quote:

Speak softly and act like you've cut off your ****.

President Trump took an extreme and aggressive position to get what he really wants. I think POTUS actually wants more control over Greenland's economic affairs in the same respect we possess tremendous say over its defense. He is going to get that for our country.

A tough stance with the British in the 1840s got us a good portion of the Pacific Northwest without a shot being fired.

If the Biden or Obama Administrations been in power back then, then those clowns would have paid Queen Victoria to take the whole region from us.

A Kamala Harris win in 2024 would have led to the Chinese gaining a foothold over Greenland. American weakness is always an opportunity for our enemies to do us harm.

Acting like sissies at the negotiating table and in foreign affairs on the world stage rarely gets you anything but grief.

Glad we have a President who gets it. Haven't had one of those since the 1980s.

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Old Gorm said:

Some folks truly believe the best negotiating tactic in diplomatic matters is a play on Theodore Roosevelt's famous quote:

Speak softly and act like you've cut off your ****.

President Trump took an extreme and aggressive position to get what he really wants. I think POTUS actually wants more control over Greenland's economic affairs in the same respect we possess tremendous say over its defense. He is going to get that for our country.

A tough stance with the British in the 1840s got us a good portion of the Pacific Northwest without a shot being fired.

If the Biden or Obama Administrations been in power back then, then those clowns would have paid Queen Victoria to take the whole region from us.

A Kamala Harris win in 2024 would have led to the Chinese gaining a foothold over Greenland. American weakness is always an opportunity for our enemies to do us harm.

Acting like sissies at the negotiating table and in foreign affairs on the world stage rarely gets you anything but grief.

Glad we have a President who gets it. Haven't had one of those since the 1980s.



Great points! So great to have an actual leader with balls who looks out for American security interests first.
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Yep, some of us saw this coming. The comedy has been tremendous though.

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Where did he see that is the deal?
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GAC06 said:

Mine and drill? This isn't about national security? I'm shocked!



There is no national security without economic security.
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Logos Stick said:

GAC06 said:

Mine and drill? This isn't about national security? I'm shocked!



There is no national security without economic security.

Don't forget mining tears. Tears are good.
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GAC06 said:

Mine and drill? This isn't about national security? I'm shocked!

Why not both? You see your buzzword and claim your narrative
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MaxPower said:

Where did he see that is the deal?
wall street mav is a paid government influencer account, that's likely how they know
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Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal
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Reginald Cousins said:

KentK93 said:

dvldog said:

Pretty decent Trump impression as well

Agree! He almost nailed but forgot to add hand jesters.


Jesters?

Yes as stated earlier I will never win a spelling contest.
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Old McDonald said:

Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal

Except it's not. Because his "neighbor" is a blue-haired psycho with a giant ring through "their" nose and an irrational hatred of Trump.

Literally anything he does, they push back. It absolutely doesn't matter. Did you not see all the idiots downing handfulls of Tylenol just because the Trump Administration said it is toxic? Tylonel literally had to release a statement saying it was extremely dangerous and people should stop doing it simply in spite of the Trump Admin.

You are absolutely wrong. And the fact you don't understand this really makes me wonder if you have any ability to be neutral on anything.
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We don't really know what Europe would have done without threats like tariffs. What is being alluded to as the framework is more than what we had and that's all we really know. They might have been willing to do that deal either way, we will never know.
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Old McDonald said:

jrdaustin said:

Calling him crazy for focusing on Greenland flies in the face of so many things the dems claim to care about.

no one is calling him crazy for focusing on greenland, they're calling him crazy for threatening a hostile takeover of greenland when we already have free reign to do whatever we want there.

Exhibit B of more cluelessness.
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I wouldn't spike the football till we know the details.
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Old McDonald said:

Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal

Exhibit C
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Old McDonald said:

Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal

How leftists react to Trump's negotiating style - REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

End result - Trump still wins and gets exactly what he wanted.

It is amusing to watch how much he irritates you guys.
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Ag87H2O said:

Old McDonald said:

Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal

How leftists react to Trump's negotiating style - REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

End result - Trump still wins and gets exactly what he wanted.

It is amusing to watch how much he irritates you guys.

So much so that the initial anecdote the water-head uses above isn't even a decent example of a negotiation. A real negotiation involves actual back and forth, not demanding a favor, as in example one, and receiving it on the initial demand.
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Fdsa said:

Think about this…the most indebted major country in NATO is also the one that carries the heaviest burden. This was never supposed to be the case and is not sustainable. Other countries have to spend more on their defense (sorry, cut your social program)…and the US needs to find a way to perhaps make some $$ from all the propping up we have done over the years.

The US pays 16% (~$3.5B) of NATO's annual operating budget as each country's contribution is based on its GDP.

So, only a miniscule fraction of total US yearly military budget ($800B+) is for NATO alone. The vast preponderance of US military funding is for general-purpose forces used to protect all of our varied interests around the globe.

If NATO disappeared tomorrow, the US defense budget would remain essentially unchanged because the global threats to our national interests would also remain unchanged.

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B-1 83 said:

Old McDonald said:

Lathspell said:

This whole situation is classic Trump negotiations that the rest of the world simply can't understand. He wants something. So he says he wants the "something"x3.

how normal people negotiate: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway
neighbor: ok sure

how trump negotiates: hey neighbor i need to park my car in your driveway, sell me your house for $10 million or i might just take it from you
neighbor: uhh how about i just let you park there?
trump: DEAL! that's what I wanted all along, art of the deal

Exhibit C

Everything Trump suggests he's getting was already available just for the asking.
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HoustonAggie11 said:

Fdsa said:

Think about this…the most indebted major country in NATO is also the one that carries the heaviest burden. This was never supposed to be the case and is not sustainable. Other countries have to spend more on their defense (sorry, cut your social program)…and the US needs to find a way to perhaps make some $$ from all the propping up we have done over the years.

really no reason to defend Europe anymore should completely cut the cord.


Demographics have doomed Europe insofar as NATO.

They are almost useless now in terms of the projection of any power. In time they will become...well, they will align with the Middle Eastern countries.
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74OA said:

Fdsa said:

Think about this…the most indebted major country in NATO is also the one that carries the heaviest burden. This was never supposed to be the case and is not sustainable. Other countries have to spend more on their defense (sorry, cut your social program)…and the US needs to find a way to perhaps make some $$ from all the propping up we have done over the years.

The US pays 16% (~$3.5B) of NATO's annual operating budget as each country's contribution is based on its GDP.

So, only a miniscule fraction of total US yearly military budget ($800B+) is for NATO alone. The vast preponderance of US military funding is for general-purpose forces used to protect all of our varied interests around the globe.

If NATO disappeared tomorrow, the US defense budget would remain essentially unchanged because the global threats to our national interests would also remain unchanged.




Yes, spending on NATO is different than overall defense spending. NATO countries rest under the capabilities we provide globally. "A Navy, sounds expensive. Uncle Sam will cover us." One could argue we should get more in return do this arrangement, considering or debt is skyrocketing.

Percentage of defense to GDP

1. Poland 4.15 %
2. Estonia 3.37 %
3. United States 3.40 %
4. Latvia 3.26 %
5. Greece 3.13 %
6. Lithuania 3.12 %
7. Denmark 2.42 %
8. Finland 2.30 %
9. Romania 2.30 %
10. United Kingdom 2.28 %
11. Hungary 2.16 %
12. Bulgaria 2.15 %
13. Germany 2.12 %
14. North Macedonia 2.10 %
15. Norway 2.09 %
16. France 2.05 %
17. Albania 2.04 %
18. Slovakia 2.01 %
19. Czech Republic 1.92 %
20. Netherlands 1.92 %
21. Turkey 1.92 %
22. Montenegro 1.83 %
23. Croatia 1.79 %
24. Portugal 1.53 %
25. Spain 1.51 %
26. Sweden 1.43 %
27. Canada 1.37 %
28. Slovenia 1.31 %
29. Belgium 1.28 %
30. Luxembourg 0.96 %
31. Iceland N/A (no military)


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Squadron7 said:

HoustonAggie11 said:

Fdsa said:

Think about this…the most indebted major country in NATO is also the one that carries the heaviest burden. This was never supposed to be the case and is not sustainable. Other countries have to spend more on their defense (sorry, cut your social program)…and the US needs to find a way to perhaps make some $$ from all the propping up we have done over the years.

really no reason to defend Europe anymore should completely cut the cord.


Demographics have doomed Europe insofar as NATO.

They are almost useless now in terms of the projection of any power. In time they will become...well, they will align with the Middle Eastern countries.


Whats the Belgium stat? 48% of those under 18 are not of Belgian origin
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I do love how non-Trump lovers are "leftists".

Y'all are far right. I guess we're lefter than radical right.

"Taking" Greenland with these antics is so silly. I expect more from a president. Nothing he says means anything.

 
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