Hardcore Greg said:TCTTS said:Apache said:Quote:
Never mind the fact that, again, The Odyssey is work of fiction/fantasy, set not in our world/history, but an alternate Earth universe in which gods and monsters not only existed, but drastically shaped the lives of men
Incorrect. The setting of the Odyssey is in the ancient GREEK world on our Earth. The Greeks believed these gods & monsters existed, though we know it is fiction.
My point which you missed, is that is doesn't make sense to drop in a Black actress randomly into this Greek world if you are being consistent with worldbuilding. Just as it wouldn't make sense to have a bunch of Europeans or Asians running around 2000 BC Botswana in a movie about African gods.
Of course in any historical movie liberties will be taken with costumes, the language etc. They aren't making a documentary, this is to be expected.
This is my opinion, and Nolan did what he did & I think it is distracting and not consistent with the world Homer documented. I haven't read all the posts on here (I'm not getting into that beatdown) but I can only assume Nolan is doing whatever the heck he wants because he can and he wants to have his own vision of The Odyssey. I just disagree with that choice (and a few others he made from what I can tell from the trailers)
Hope that clears up my point.
Again, this is a fantasy world ruled by gods and monsters.
Could make the same argument about "Black Panther"..."this is purely fiction, so who's to say some white dudes couldn't have held prominent/lead roles or been some of the main saviors of Wakanda?"
FL_Ag1998 said:
The whole point of a movie trailer released in advance of the movie is so the public can judge what the movie will be like and whether they want to see it. Trailers are the movie studio's way of literally saying, "Please judge this book by its cover!"
And now we're being criticized for doing just that.
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Show me. Prove it.
TCTTS said:
Oh, good gosh, not this bull**** again.
Black Panther is primarily a story ABOUT race, African heritage, etc. It was literally conceived against the backdrop of the 1960s civil rights movement, while Jack Kirby literally said that he created the character because he realized there was a lack of black superheroes in mainstream comics despite having a massive, diverse readership.
The Odyssey, on the other hand, was NOT born out of race, and race has damn near nothing to do with story.
The two have nothing in common in that regard.
Cliff.Booth said:TCTTS said:CharleyKerfeld said:
ALL HAIL THE RATIO
It's hilarious how they keep pointing to something they (the hardcore anti-woke) created, as proof that the rest of the world agrees with them or whatever. It's almost cute at this point, if it weren't so ******* lame.
The cognitive dissonance it takes to make that point as the guy who posted 50 glowing reactions from "critics" who all share your exact worldview as if that's bulletproof evidence the movie is going to be amazing and not just a bunch of journos saying exactly what they'd be expected to say. At least the trailer downvoting comes from ordinary people.
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Show me. Prove it.
Dude read the book. It was set in the world as the Greeks knew it at the time... it was Greece & the surrounding cultures being manipulated by their Gods and plagued by various monsters like Cyclops, Scylla, etc.
It wasn't the amalgamation of far flung cultures and peoples we have today. They knew of Ethiopia and black people the way Romans knew about Chinese and vice versa.
I intend to fully the enjoy the movie (or not) on its own merit. I'm just saying I disagree with that choice Nolan made as inconsistent with the time and setting.
Lathspell said:TCTTS said:
Oh, good gosh, not this bull**** again.
Black Panther is primarily a story ABOUT race, African heritage, etc. It was literally conceived against the backdrop of the 1960s civil rights movement, while Jack Kirby literally said that he created the character because he realized there was a lack of black superheroes in mainstream comics despite having a massive, diverse readership.
The Odyssey, on the other hand, was NOT born out of race, and race has damn near nothing to do with story.
The two have nothing in common in that regard.
Lol... and not the self-awareness to see the irony in this. So, Jack Kirby didn't co-opt someone else's creation to change it, but instead created something new. Damn... kind of the thing I've been saying for years, in regards to raceswapping.
And guess what? I have no issue with Black Panther or Wakanda, aside from just thinking the movie was mid.
TCTTS said:Apache said:Quote:
Show me. Prove it.
Dude read the book. It was set in the world as the Greeks knew it at the time... it was Greece & the surrounding cultures being manipulated by their Gods and plagued by various monsters like Cyclops, Scylla, etc.
It wasn't the amalgamation of far flung cultures and peoples we have today. They knew of Ethiopia and black people the way Romans knew about Chinese and vice versa.
I intend to fully the enjoy the movie (or not) on its own merit. I'm just saying I disagree with that choice Nolan made as inconsistent with the time and setting.
I'm sorry, but simply posting the cover of the book doesn't do **** for your argument. Show me the exact excerpts that explicitly disprove what I'm saying Nolan *could* technically argue.
Even then, though, it's HIS adaptation and he can do or say whatever the hell wants with it.
agdoc2001 said:
Nevermind, I'm back in.
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I'm sorry, but simply posting the cover of the book doesn't do **** for your argument. Show me the exact excerpts that explicitly disprove what I'm saying Nolan *could* technically argue.
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Even then, though, it's HIS adaptation and he can do or say whatever the hell wants with it.
TCTTS said:Apache said:Quote:
Show me. Prove it.
Dude read the book. It was set in the world as the Greeks knew it at the time... it was Greece & the surrounding cultures being manipulated by their Gods and plagued by various monsters like Cyclops, Scylla, etc.
It wasn't the amalgamation of far flung cultures and peoples we have today. They knew of Ethiopia and black people the way Romans knew about Chinese and vice versa.
I intend to fully the enjoy the movie (or not) on its own merit. I'm just saying I disagree with that choice Nolan made as inconsistent with the time and setting.
I'm sorry, but simply posting the cover of the book doesn't do **** for your argument. Show me the exact excerpts that explicitly disprove what I'm saying Nolan *could* technically argue.
Even then, though, it's HIS adaptation and he can do or say whatever the hell wants with it.
Apache said:
It's ok for people to have different opinions.
Cliff.Booth said:Apache said:
It's ok for people to have different opinions.
Not for the 5 people who want this board to be a Subreddit.
Again, for the people that don't know how to read and just like to use the word "woke":
— Clayton Davis (@ByClaytonDavis) July 7, 2026
"Every best picture winner in the Academy’s 98-year history — from the 'Wings' in 1929 through 'One Battle After Another' — clears the Oscars' new inclusion rules."https://t.co/hAEZptkKg6 https://t.co/fEQtKAoQI6 pic.twitter.com/P9h0IMugxe
Christopher Nolan says modern English is spoken in ‘THE ODYSSEY’ because he wanted “language that has emotional not intellectual meaning” for audiences.
— Christopher Nolan Archives (@NolanAnalyst) July 7, 2026
“I was maybe being naïve, it might bite me on the ass, but I wanted an earthy narrative. To me it was a no-brainer.” pic.twitter.com/r7m5iI7mxh
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It's "well documented" in the book itself, or in our history? Because those are two very different things.
Neckbeard droolers who haven't seen THE ODYSSEY screaming at historian Tom Holland about "historical inaccuracies" in THE ODYSSEY or because they think he's the actor Tom Holland, who is in THE ODYSSEY, is my favorite content of the day. https://t.co/sKJpcmKnFr
— Mike (not a) Rothschild (@rothschildmd) July 7, 2026
I hope I love The Odyssey and I hope it makes a billion now. pic.twitter.com/1hnOj9ccA1
— The Moonlight Warrior 🌙 (@BlackMajikMan90) July 7, 2026
TCTTS said:Christopher Nolan says modern English is spoken in ‘THE ODYSSEY’ because he wanted “language that has emotional not intellectual meaning” for audiences.
— Christopher Nolan Archives (@NolanAnalyst) July 7, 2026
“I was maybe being naïve, it might bite me on the ass, but I wanted an earthy narrative. To me it was a no-brainer.” pic.twitter.com/r7m5iI7mxh
TCTTS said:
So why would one of the greatest directors of all time, who can do whatever the **** he wants and has never given two ****s about ideology or the culture wars, suddenly "go woke" after 25 years, and just three years after making one of the whitest blockbusters of the century?
That makes ZERO sense.
You guys are so ****ing desperate now it's just sad. All logic and fact has completely evaporated from any argument you present now, and it's only going to get more pathetic the more praise the movie gets, and the better it inevitably does at the box office.
Good lord, give it up. This is the weirdest **** ever.
TCTTS said:Christopher Nolan says modern English is spoken in ‘THE ODYSSEY’ because he wanted “language that has emotional not intellectual meaning” for audiences.
— Christopher Nolan Archives (@NolanAnalyst) July 7, 2026
“I was maybe being naïve, it might bite me on the ass, but I wanted an earthy narrative. To me it was a no-brainer.” pic.twitter.com/r7m5iI7mxh
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Yet you still haven't shown me where the book explicitly disproves that a number of black people could have occupied the fantasy version of Ithica at the time the fantasy events of the book take place.
