veryfuller said:
The argument about the Oscars is just the latest example of that.
CheeseSndwch said:dummble said:
You people are mad at the wrong thing. Why is Michael Caine not in this Nolan film?
Why!? Because he has a vowel at the end of his last name, Caine, that's why.
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Most of that was mocking the idea of a trans Achilles. The fact is she is still cast to play a Greek soldier. Give me a break. And what? Apologize? Many of us mocking it have consistently said "we'll see". The goal-tending accusation is because yall see these things and won't even admit how ridiculous they are.
Infection_Ag11 said:FL_Ag1998 said:
The early reaction tweets for any movie have become almost meaningless to me because it appears to be more or less groupthink these days. On top of that its obvious that each one of these people are trying to outdo themselves with the praise or criticism so they can have their tweet go viral.
I think the movie will be exactly what everyone has been predicting....a spectacle. Every Nolan movie is one. The only question will be whether you like Nolan's version of the story, which at this point we know is an updated modernized retelling with different perspectives from Homer's original. I find Lupita Nyong'os comments in the recent interview extremely ignorant and arrogant. They just prove that she's never actually done her homework on the original story and is only concerned with her modern feminist perspective.
And I'd argue christopher nolan is not right wing, he's merely kept his political ideals out of his movies until now. But I'd also say that's an argument for a different thread.
I'm already on record saying I disagree with his casting choices. That's because I'm disappointed with the motivation behind them - which is Nolan using this opportunity to tell a modernized version that falls in line with his current perspectives and sensibilities. I'd much rather he use his filmmaking gifts to respect a story that's grander and more epic than anything he could ever come up with on his own; I'd rather he simply film Homer's vision, not his own (or Emily Wilson's vision).
But I'll see it and try to judge it for what it is. I may walk away convinced it was a colossal swing and a miss and a missed opportunity. Or it may be an incredible movie which simply needs to be classified as its own story that's merely "inspired by" Homer's Odyssey.
Look, here's the thing. This movie is historical fantasy based on a 3000 year old text (and whose oral tradition likely predates that by hundreds of years) that almost certainly wasn't even written by Homer (if he even existed at all) or any single individual. There is a cyclops, a hydra, sirens, depictions of the gods and afterlife that literally nobody today believes in anymore, etc. Nearly every character in the story is almost certainly fictional.
With all that established, I propose that anyone wound up about casting choices on the basis of ethnicity/race or sexual orientation WANTS to be wound up about it. They are looking for a reason. If the movie is great and you find yourself complaining about the fact that Helen of Troy is played by a black actress, that's your issue to deal with. This idea that it would a legitimate criticism of an otherwise great movie with great acting is just ridiculously transparent. We all understand what's happening there so let's please just stop pretending.
Saxsoon said:veryfuller said:
Obviously these tweets are just reactions, but it does at least seem to be entertaining.
My biggest takeaway from them, which should be encouraging to everyone who has been uninspired by the trailers, is that there seems to be A LOT that we haven't seen in the trailers that is exciting and works well.
I saw the Trojan horse 8 minute trailer before project Hail Mary. By the end of it I forgot what movie I came to see and wanted the trailer to keep going
veryfuller said:
I am not goal tending the movie. I am making a counter-argument to the "its always the narrative" critiques.
I mean, we had PAGES of conversation about Ellen "Elliot" Page being Achilles in the movie and all that meant....and turns out, thats not true. No one has said ooops or apologized or anything for that, but we all had to endure that if we were following this thread. And anyone who said, lets just wait and see if that news is confirmed before freaking out? We were "goal tending".
What happens if the movie comes out and you think its a masterpiece and think, man it was so silly to get so worked up about it beforehand? We won't see anyone say that on this thread. But for those of us who are just asking, begging, for people to chill out on the culture war critiques until they at least see the movie? We are crazy and ruining the thread and goal tending.
Rigs said:
At 54 pages before opening, do we hit 60 pages before?
Wish there was a Kalshi for that.
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Infection_Ag11 said:
I propose that anyone wound up about casting choices on the basis of ethnicity/race or sexual orientation WANTS to be wound up about it. They are looking for a reason. If the movie is great and you find yourself complaining about the fact that Helen of Troy is played by a black actress, that's your issue to deal with. This idea that it would a legitimate criticism of an otherwise great movie with great acting is just ridiculously transparent. We all understand what's happening there so let's please just stop pretending.
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Most of that was mocking the idea of a trans Achilles. The fact is she is still cast to play a Greek soldier. Give me a break. And what? Apologize? Many of us mocking it have consistently said "we'll see". The goal-tending accusation is because yall see these things and won't even admit how ridiculous they are.
Your point only has merit if the character Paige is playing in the movie is overtly trans (ie they make it a point that within the context of the movie it's a biological woman portraying themselves to be a man, or vice versa). That the actor or actress themselves claims to be trans in real life is irrelevant. The fact that there is no mainstream dispute that Paige is a good actress just further illustrates this point.
So yes, if the movie has a subplot about the soldier Paige is playing transitioning then absolutely it's absurd virtue signaling. But we all know that isn't going to be the case. What it's going to be is a good actress who has been in multiple Nolan films before portraying a male soldier with absolutely no discussion of trans/LGBT ideology whatsoever. And in that context, it is in practice no different than the numerous other instances of actors or actress portraying or voice acting characters of the opposite sex. It's like claiming Tommy in Rugrats was part of the woke agenda. It's nonsensical.
Lathspell said:Infection_Ag11 said:
I propose that anyone wound up about casting choices on the basis of ethnicity/race or sexual orientation WANTS to be wound up about it. They are looking for a reason. If the movie is great and you find yourself complaining about the fact that Helen of Troy is played by a black actress, that's your issue to deal with. This idea that it would a legitimate criticism of an otherwise great movie with great acting is just ridiculously transparent. We all understand what's happening there so let's please just stop pretending.
We are "looking" for a reason? No. We have always held that these things are stupid.
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Most of that was mocking the idea of a trans Achilles. The fact is she is still cast to play a Greek soldier. Give me a break. And what? Apologize? Many of us mocking it have consistently said "we'll see". The goal-tending accusation is because yall see these things and won't even admit how ridiculous they are.
Your point only has merit if the character Paige is playing in the movie is overtly trans (ie they make it a point that within the context of the movie it's a biological woman portraying themselves to be a man, or vice versa). That the actor or actress themselves claims to be trans in real life is irrelevant. The fact that there is no mainstream dispute that Paige is a good actress just further illustrates this point.
So yes, if the movie has a subplot about the soldier Paige is playing transitioning then absolutely it's absurd virtue signaling. But we all know that isn't going to be the case. What it's going to be is a good actress who has been in multiple Nolan films before portraying a male soldier with absolutely no discussion of trans/LGBT ideology whatsoever. And in that context, it is in practice no different than the numerous other instances of actors or actress portraying or voice acting characters of the opposite sex. It's like claiming Tommy in Rugrats was part of the woke agenda. It's nonsensical.
Your posts are such a mess of meaningless drivel. Comparing female voice actors voicing children to accepting a tiny woman as a Greek soldier? Really?
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There actually IS a debate about Paige being a good "actress".
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You are not respecting her pronouns by calling her that.
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Paige is a woman. I'm not giving in to the trans debate by joining in on accepting the delusion.
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Please explain the practical difference to us then.
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No there isn't, or rather there wasn't prior to her claiming she was a dude. Which means any subsequent criticism of her prior acting is purely performative.
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I agree with you, and yet I still maintain you're being an intentionally obtuse and intellectually dishonest dweeb. As do most people who agree with you that aren't in the insulated sphere of conservative commentators you've walled yourself off in.
Go outside and touch grass dude.
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veryfuller said:
I don't think its us vs them. I am making a coherent argument to wait and see the movie before painting it with the culture war brush, while you and others are constantly bringing up side issues or mocking things about the movie (that turn out not to be true), then piling on when people just ask you to wait to see the movie before going on the culture war rants.
And then you mark those posters as liberals, which is honestly hysterical to me. Because we don't want to dump on a movie we haven't seen for reasons we don't know are true yet. And if that is obtuse, to want to see something for myself and come to my own conclusions without having it filtered through social media, commentators, reviewers, other posters on the thread, then I guess thats me. And you have moved me into "the other side" column and treat me as such in conversation on here.
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Please explain the practical difference to us then.
Pretty sad that I have to explain this to a doctor. One is about matching acoustically to the timbre and sound of a child, which women can do effectively in voice acting. No one has EVER had an issue with this. It does not take the watching out of the performance because it all fits. The other is literally seeing a woman on screen and being told you must accept her as a man.
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No there isn't, or rather there wasn't prior to her claiming she was a dude. Which means any subsequent criticism of her prior acting is purely performative.
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I agree with you, and yet I still maintain you're being an intentionally obtuse and intellectually dishonest dweeb. As do most people who agree with you that aren't in the insulated sphere of conservative commentators you've walled yourself off in.
Go outside and touch grass dude.
Lol... not even a little. If I were watching a community theatre play where they cast a woman as a man, I accept it due to the confines of the production. In this, she was cast as a man to play a man. I'm not playing that game.
And lol at conservative commentators. Everyone I watch and listen to is generally centrist. They are only considered "right wing" because of the overton window shift of the crazies in this world.
BTW... your posts are still drivel.
Lathspell said:
Lol... I don't listen to Matt Walsh. I think his taste in movies is trash. Hell, I don't really watch any Daily Wire stuff.
TCTTS said:
Dude, come on. You're complaining about someone arguing with a broad brush while simultaneously painting Nolan/Hollywood/the left with the broadest brush possible. You're being just as "us vs them" as anyone in this thread, if not far more so, and extremely angrily at that.
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At 54 pages before opening, do we hit 60 pages before?
Wish there was a Kalshi for that.
Yes we will at this rate lol
veryfuller said:
I am not goal tending the movie. I am making a counter-argument to the "its always the narrative" critiques.
I mean, we had PAGES of conversation about Ellen "Elliot" Page being Achilles in the movie and all that meant....and turns out, thats not true. No one has said ooops or apologized or anything for that, but we all had to endure that if we were following this thread. And anyone who said, lets just wait and see if that news is confirmed before freaking out? We were "goal tending".
What happens if the movie comes out and you think its a masterpiece and think, man it was so silly to get so worked up about it beforehand? We won't see anyone say that on this thread. But for those of us who are just asking, begging, for people to chill out on the culture war critiques until they at least see the movie? We are crazy and ruining the thread and goal tending.
veryfuller said:Lathspell said:
Lol... I don't listen to Matt Walsh. I think his taste in movies is trash. Hell, I don't really watch any Daily Wire stuff.
We agree!
Odyssey is terrific. Comfortably seats eight and features the thoughtful engineering touches we’ve come to expect from Honda
— Richard Lawson (@rilaws) July 7, 2026
veryfuller said:
I didn't say you couldn't. Again, I'm not arguing against the critique, its the NARRATIVE. You brought the narrative back in. I argued against that, and my questions was to that point, and then you act like I'm saying you can't critique the movie. Which I am absolutely NOT saying.
YNWA_AG said:
In other news after the nonsense above. Back to tweet reactions.Odyssey is terrific. Comfortably seats eight and features the thoughtful engineering touches we’ve come to expect from Honda
— Richard Lawson (@rilaws) July 7, 2026
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I propose that anyone wound up about casting choices on the basis of ethnicity/race or sexual orientation WANTS to be wound up about it.
