*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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5:04p, 7/7/26
Alternate universe: Show me specifically which page in Princess Kaguya says that the princess isn't a blonde-haired blue-eyed woman with a Mississippi accent. Oh, you can't? You mean many centuries ago when describing the legendary Japanese princess the author didn't take the time to explain that the Japanese princess looks Japanese and not like someone from an ethnic group they had no contact with? I guess you just hate white people and don't think they deserve to be in any movie!

Only when you reverse this **** do these people maybe begin to understand how disingenuous their arguments are.
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In reply to Enrico Pallazzo • 5:05p, 7/7/26
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Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot


I didn't make the claim. Apache explicitly said that the book disproves that black people couldn't have lived in Ithica / couldn't have been displaced by gods or monsters. I simply asked him to prove said claim and he ultimately refused.
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5:07p, 7/7/26
Page 59! Page 59!

That's 4.5 pages of bickering by 5PM.

We'll be at page 60 by 9PM.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 5:09p, 7/7/26
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Cliff.Booth said:
Alternate universe: Show me specifically which page in Princess Kaguya says that the princess isn't a blonde-haired blue-eyed woman with a Mississippi accent. Oh, you can't? You mean many centuries ago when describing the legendary Japanese princess the author didn't take the time to explain that the Japanese princess looks Japanese and not like someone from an ethnic group they had no contact with? I guess you just hate white people and don't think they deserve to be in any movie!

Only when you reverse this **** do these people maybe begin to understand how disingenuous their arguments are.


Except that wasn't at all my argument. Yet again, for the thousandth time, you're putting words in my mouth. APACHE is the one who made the claim that the book proves that black people weren't displaced by the actions of gods or monsters. I simply asked him to show me where in the book it said that.

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In reply to Enrico Pallazzo • 5:13p, 7/7/26
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot

It's quite impressive how committed he is to the bit. Reaching Redstone levels of trolling where we can't tell if they are serious or pulling our leg.

Now I can't wait to see how Nolan implements the phasers in the movie.
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In reply to Tea Party • 5:17p, 7/7/26
I just read his posts with Jan Brady voice in my head and it makes it more entertaining. Also, when he mentions "for the thousandth time", I'm taking the over
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In reply to Tea Party • 5:20p, 7/7/26
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Oh, I've been very clear about what the goal is.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:26p, 7/7/26
TCTTS said:
Or... not for the many people who don't want this board to be nothing but endless, incessant, anti-woke *****ing and moaning in thread after thread after thread. Normal complaining is a whole other thing that no one really cares about, myself included.

It's not that, it's just got a dash of that. Take a step back, the discussions on this forum is largely entertainment oriented and free from politics or cultural/societal issues...go click on any thread. But you know what would be really effective? If you and a few others here didn't feel the need to passionately white knight or gate keep any time you see something you don't like.

Someone having minor problems with certain ethnicities being cast for certain roles, because they think it is unrealistic for the time period or place, is not the end of the world. You will be ok, I promise. It's ok to just say you disagree and move on...or to just ignore. But when a handful of people on here fight fervently against it, it really does pour fuel on the fire that you claim to not want on your dorrstep. Especially when you constantly call people "crazy" or "unhinged" or whatever.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 5:26p, 7/7/26
Cliff.Booth said:
TCTTS said:
Apache said:
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Show me. Prove it.



Dude read the book. It was set in the world as the Greeks knew it at the time... it was Greece & the surrounding cultures being manipulated by their Gods and plagued by various monsters like Cyclops, Scylla, etc.

It wasn't the amalgamation of far flung cultures and peoples we have today. They knew of Ethiopia and black people the way Romans knew about Chinese and vice versa.

I intend to fully the enjoy the movie (or not) on its own merit. I'm just saying I disagree with that choice Nolan made as inconsistent with the time and setting.


I'm sorry, but simply posting the cover of the book doesn't do **** for your argument. Show me the exact excerpts that explicitly disprove what I'm saying Nolan *could* technically argue.

Even then, though, it's HIS adaptation and he can do or say whatever the hell wants with it.


This movie seems to lean so heavily toward pleasing people who've never read Homer or don't care that it really would have been better to just name the movie Christopher Nolan's Ancient Myth Movie.


Or, The Odd-yssey
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:33p, 7/7/26
TCTTS said:
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot


I didn't make the claim. Apache explicitly said that the book disproves that black people couldn't have lived in Ithica / couldn't have been displaced by gods or monsters. I simply asked him to prove said claim and he ultimately refused.

They were so insanely rare, if they did exist there at the time, that Homer would have definitely, without a doubt, mentioned if she was black, or Asian, or Arabic, or anything else but white. I don't think people realize how segregated the world was at that time, and how homogeneous nations and regions were. We are talking like 750 years before Christ.

The fact there is no mention of different skin color is all the confirmation you need. Cliff.Booth's post at the top of this page is the most accurate analogy I have seen imo.
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5:40p, 7/7/26
Maybe Homer's editor removed the racial descriptions from the book to save on the cost of papyrus and ink in the ancient world. Soot and glue didn't exactly grow on trees in Athens, ya know.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:41p, 7/7/26
TCTTS said:
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot


I didn't make the claim. Apache explicitly said that the book disproves that black people couldn't have lived in Ithica / couldn't have been displaced by gods or monsters. I simply asked him to prove said claim and he ultimately refused.


Dude, she's Helen of TROY, not Helen of Ethiopia. That's very clear from the book.

I think it's on TCTTS to prove that Helen is not ethnically the same as others in her family/kingdom given that it would be a pretty striking difference which would have stood out in those times.
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5:50p, 7/7/26
We are going to need an excerpt proving it wasn't Troy, AL.
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6:03p, 7/7/26
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This thread is highly entertaining. I don't care what side you are on. I just want people to tell me whether it's worth it to watch in 4D, IMAX, or home theater.
I hope I did not offend anybody with this post. If I did, please come see me at my address in my profile so we can talk.
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In reply to TyHolden • 6:10p, 7/7/26
It will take 6 pages of bickering to get you there.

Spoiler alert: they didn't have any theatres in Ancient Greece.
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6:11p, 7/7/26
Just dropping by to say that I love this argument, highlighted by this Texags all timer "Show me the exact excerpts that explicitly disprove what I'm saying Nolan *could* technically argue".

Incredible work here, folks
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In reply to Rigs • 6:12p, 7/7/26
Rigs said:
It will take 6 pages of bickering to get you there.

Spoiler alert: they didn't have any theatres in Ancient Greece.


Fake news
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Greek_theatres
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In reply to Fenrir • 6:14p, 7/7/26
Yes- the answer to his question is that he should go see it in an outdoor amphitheater.
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In reply to Rigs • 6:18p, 7/7/26
They are the OG drive-in.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:38p, 7/7/26
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CharleyKerfeld said:
ALL HAIL THE RATIO


It's hilarious how they keep pointing to something they (the hardcore anti-woke) created, as proof that the rest of the world agrees with them or whatever. It's almost cute at this point, if it weren't so ******* lame.

Was known as sanity and reality 20 years ago.
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In reply to Enrico Pallazzo • 6:44p, 7/7/26
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot

First TCTTS thread?
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7:02p, 7/7/26
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How's this for an opinion, prime Ellen Page would've been a far better Helen than Lupita. Talk about whiffing the casting.
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7:03p, 7/7/26
Helen of Troy, then the sequel, Troy of Helen
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7:33p, 7/7/26
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Has anyone's mind been changed? This whole thread is just going in circles over and over again.
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In reply to Heineken-Ashi • 7:38p, 7/7/26
Heineken-Ashi said:
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot

First TCTTS thread?

Felted Teddy!
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8:08p, 7/7/26
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So has anyone seen this? That Elliott Page is officially playing Sinon. The warrior that lied to the Trojans and manipulated them to get them to take the horse inside. He was condemned to the 8th circle of hell in Dantes inferno. Makes sense since she is lying about other things.
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8:20p, 7/7/26
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Disclaimer: Views expressed in this post reflect the opinions of Texags user bonfarr and are not to be accepted as facts or to be taken at face value.
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In reply to bonfarr • 8:22p, 7/7/26
On the bright side, they apparently have some suits left over from when Danny Devito was doing Taxi.
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In reply to One Eyed Reveille • 8:23p, 7/7/26
One Eyed Reveille said:
So has anyone seen this? That Elliott Page is officially playing Sinon. The warrior that lied to the Trojans and manipulated them to get them to take the horse inside. He was condemned to the 8th circle of hell in Dantes inferno. Makes sense since she is lying about other things.

Who is Elliott Page?
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In reply to CharleyKerfeld • 8:38p, 7/7/26
CharleyKerfeld said:
One Eyed Reveille said:
So has anyone seen this? That Elliott Page is officially playing Sinon. The warrior that lied to the Trojans and manipulated them to get them to take the horse inside. He was condemned to the 8th circle of hell in Dantes inferno. Makes sense since she is lying about other things.

Who is Elliott Page?


Ellen Page lost her marbles and transitioned into a "dude." Easy to miss if you don't follow Hollyweird closely.
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8:43p, 7/7/26
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Holy hell, the ratio and meltdown of TCTTS on this thread is entertaining. I particularly loved "I have been doing this for years on Texags" post. Did Looch pay you for your service? Are you actually involved in any productions that anyone would know about? Do you get any compensation for patronizing posts, or pimping **** movies like Snow White.
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 8:44p, 7/7/26
Uh, I think the argument would be that Ellen Page didn't have "marbles".

But none of that is required to act.
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 8:47p, 7/7/26
Thunderstruck xx said:
CharleyKerfeld said:
One Eyed Reveille said:
So has anyone seen this? That Elliott Page is officially playing Sinon. The warrior that lied to the Trojans and manipulated them to get them to take the horse inside. He was condemned to the 8th circle of hell in Dantes inferno. Makes sense since she is lying about other things.

Who is Elliott Page?


Ellen Page lost her marbles and transitioned into a "dude." Easy to miss if you don't follow Hollyweird closely.

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In reply to Tea Party • 8:54p, 7/7/26
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Tea Party said:
Enrico Pallazzo said:
Good grief, the request is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've seen in this board which is saying a lot

It's quite impressive how committed he is to the bit. Reaching Redstone levels of trolling where we can't tell if they are serious or pulling our leg.

Now I can't wait to see how Nolan implements the phasers in the movie.

The phasers will be mounted on the chin of the Blue Thunder helicopter. I am certain that has to be in the book, right?
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In reply to hunter2012 • 8:55p, 7/7/26
Too short to be Helen of Troy
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