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1:25p, 8/8/21
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Willock in Newcastle...


Di Marzio claiming that we are in for Dusan Vlahovic. Fiorentina is said to want 50m and have also expressed interest in Torreira in the last year.
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In reply to chjoak • 1:32p, 8/8/21
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chjoak said:
Willock in Newcastle...


Di Marzio claiming that we are in for Dusan Vlahovic. Fiorentina is said to want 50m and have also expressed interest in Torreira in the last year.


I'm OK telling all Italian clubs to eff off. They demand ridiculous fees for players and refuse to pay even a percentile back for players they want
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2:04p, 8/8/21
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Good luck to Joe. Hope he scores 30 goals this year.
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In reply to chjoak • 2:39p, 8/8/21
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Man I wish we could sell players effectively. It's not a terrible price in this market, but I feel like that should have been more. Granted, prior to his loan he was probably worth less than half that
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In reply to wangus12 • 2:52p, 8/8/21
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Agree. Hope there is a buyback or sell-on but not gonna hold my breath
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2:54p, 8/8/21
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4:35p, 8/8/21
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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8:40a, 8/10/21
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Italian media claiming that we have made contact with Abraham's reps

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In reply to chjoak • 8:43a, 8/10/21
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It's crazy that a price tag of 25M makes him one of Newcastle's most expensive signings in the clubs history.
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11:11a, 8/10/21
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So glad the season starts Friday. We've got a tough start with Brentford, Chelsea and City. Very easy for Brentford to be a trap game. Promotion side with a brand new stadium in their first season of top league football.

If the match was today, this is my starting 11.

-------Laca------
Saka--------Pepe
--------ESR------
Xhaka-----Sambi
KT--White--Holding--Chambo
-------Leno-------


Auba will probably start over Saka since he's only been back a week, but he is just a black hole of a spot right now. I know White is right-footed, but even still he is a better option than Mari currently. Chambers should start at RB, but I have a feeling it'll be Bellerin.
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In reply to wangus12 • 11:25a, 8/10/21
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Same, but I'd swap White and Holding. Holding has played well on the left before.
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12:28p, 8/10/21
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Does anyone know the fitness situation with Gabriel and how long he's expected to be out?
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In reply to wangus12 • 12:29p, 8/10/21
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Please can we start Sambi and not Elneny.
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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 12:41p, 8/10/21
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I certainly feel Sambi has shown enough in the preseason games to give him the go ahead to start. Don't give me the usual bs about needing to ease into the PL.

As for Gabriel, I think its tendonitis in the knee, but they said he is supposed to be in training in the next couple weeks
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In reply to wangus12 • 2:15p, 8/10/21
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I certainly feel Sambi has shown enough in the preseason games to give him the go ahead to start. Don't give me the usual bs about needing to ease into the PL.

As for Gabriel, I think its tendonitis in the knee, but they said he is supposed to be in training in the next couple weeks
I'd expect Sambi to get at least 60 minutes this weekend, which means he starts.
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4:11p, 8/10/21
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6:36a, 8/11/21
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7:38a, 8/11/21
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Zakaria and Tolisso would spend 3/4 of the season in the rehab facilities at London Colney. Not sure that's a road to go down, but they're much more affordable than other options.

I'm curious to see if the Willock transfer is going to turn into another Martinez trade. We need the money, but we've been bereft of midfield goals since Ramsey left. Willock scored more goals from midfield in the last 2 months of the season than we had in nearly 2 seasons from midfield.

More rumors that Madrid might be willing to let Odegaard go. Club really needs to make a decision on going after Odegaard or Maddison and just get it done. Its very obvious we're about to have the same creative issues that we've had last season.

Ramsdale didn't play for Sheffield in their match last night and it sounds like we may actually be making that overpaid mistake.
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In reply to wangus12 • 7:56a, 8/11/21
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wangus12 said:
Zakaria and Tolisso would spend 3/4 of the season in the rehab facilities at London Colney. Not sure that's a road to go down, but they're much more affordable than other options.
Zakaria has played 30+ games in each of the last 6 seasons. Not too worried about ability to stay on the field as much as I am about his general fit. Like the general idea of him based on what little game action and highlight film I have seen but looking at his stats over the last 3 seasons makes me question if he truly fits Arteta's current system. His ball progression numbers (carries + passing) paint a picture of a younger more talented Elneny. Seems like he would be a much better fit as a mobile #6 in a 4-3-3.

Tolisso you definitely have a point. At Lyon he played 40+ games per year. 1st year at Bayern he played 40. Since he has played 4, 28, 24. To be fair, I'm not sure his lack of games last year was so much injury vs being passed up while out. Taking a flier on him is 100% because of the price. And when healthy, a veteran 2 man base rotation of Xhaka, Partey, Tolisso & Lokonga really isn't bad at all. Give Lokonga, Azeez & Patino cup matches and the odd league appearance and you are setting yourself up with a young core to take over for the older 3 in a couple seasons.
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I'm curious to see if the Willock transfer is going to turn into another Martinez trade. We need the money, but we've been bereft of midfield goals since Ramsey left. Willock scored more goals from midfield in the last 2 months of the season than we had in nearly 2 seasons from midfield.
I'm torn on Willock. Think he could be a very good one but he was given 44 appearances under Arteta last season and produced very little. I just don't think he is the right fit for the current offense and it makes sense to cash out while his value is high.
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More rumors that Madrid might be willing to let Odegaard go. Club really needs to make a decision on going after Odegaard or Maddison and just get it done. Its very obvious we're about to have the same creative issues that we've had last season.
Agreed. Honestly not 100% sold that I want either but really wish they would make up their mind and get something done. Based on everything I've read, I don't think Maddison is gonna happen. So for me they either need to go all out for Odegaard or find another option ASAP.
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Ramsdale didn't play for Sheffield in their match last night and it sounds like we may actually be making that overpaid mistake.
I don't mind bringing Ramsdale but I really don't like the rumored price tag. Just feels like we are making the same stupid mistakes over and over.
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8:29a, 8/11/21
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To say we botched the keeper situation is an understatement
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In reply to gougler08 • 8:35a, 8/11/21
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gougler08 said:
To say we botched the keeper situation is an understatement
Yes and no. In hindsight we should have kept Emi. The problem was A) he was demanding to be #1 or be sold and we could not just give him #1 unless Leno was sold and B) there was no market for Leno coming off of an injury. For all intents and purposes we were forced into a bad decision because Emi was not willing to stick around and earn the #1 shirt. Had he continued his form and continued to show he was better than Leno with the ball at his feet chances are he would be our #1 right now and we would be selling Leno this summer for a discounted rate.
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In reply to chjoak • 8:51a, 8/11/21
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gougler08 said:
To say we botched the keeper situation is an understatement
Yes and no. In hindsight we should have kept Emi. The problem was A) he was demanding to be #1 or be sold and we could not just give him #1 unless Leno was sold and B) there was no market for Leno coming off of an injury. For all intents and purposes we were forced into a bad decision because Emi was not willing to stick around and earn the #1 shirt. Had he continued his form and continued to show he was better than Leno with the ball at his feet chances are he would be our #1 right now and we would be selling Leno this summer for a discounted rate.
I think it was a mistake but it was a reasonable deal when we made it. He hadn't done much of anything up until when Leno got hurt and then went gangbusters. It sucks we chose poorly but at the time, it was a reasonable deal.
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9:01a, 8/11/21
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FWIW...


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9:02a, 8/11/21
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We should've kept Emi (which is how I felt at the time) but it was a tricky situation, and I think Arsenal was kind of put in a corner with that situation.

Ramsdale is very highly thought of by the powers that be in the footballing world, so even though I don't really see it, there must be something there. He's still very young for a keeper and has the chance to be very good at Arsenal long term IMO. And I think he has the kind of ball skills to play out from the back that Arteta (and most modern coaches) wants, even though he went long most of the time last year due to team tactics/style of play.

Do you guys prefer Odegaard or Maddison? I like that Maddison scores more goals, but I'm concerned about him being injury prone. Odegaard probably has a better price tag, and I love him as a player, just would hope he provides more goals since we desperately need it.

Agree on not needing to give Sambi a ton of time to adjust, he was a young captain at Anderlecht. Really like the player.
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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 9:07a, 8/11/21
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We should've kept Emi (which is how I felt at the time) but it was a tricky situation, and I think Arsenal was kind of put in a corner with that situation.

Ramsdale is very highly thought of by the powers that be in the footballing world, so even though I don't really see it, there must be something there. He's still very young for a keeper and has the chance to be very good at Arsenal long term IMO. And I think he has the kind of ball skills to play out from the back that Arteta (and most modern coaches) wants, even though he went long most of the time last year due to team tactics/style of play.

Do you guys prefer Odegaard or Maddison? I like that Maddison scores more goals, but I'm concerned about him being injury prone. Odegaard probably has a better price tag, and I love him as a player, just would hope he provides more goals since we desperately need it.

Agree on not needing to give Sambi a ton of time to adjust, he was a young captain at Anderlecht. Really like the player.
For me, I don't really care for Ramsdale. Find a competent and cheap backup and hope for the best. 30 million pounds seems like a lot for a backup goalie, in my opinion. I'd prefer that money go to Odegaard(my #1) or Maddison(#2).

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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 9:12a, 8/11/21
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We should've kept Emi (which is how I felt at the time) but it was a tricky situation, and I think Arsenal was kind of put in a corner with that situation.
Agreed. Emi put us in that situation demanding to be #1 after only a small sample of games. Had he just stuck around and competed I have little doubt he would have one the starting job but we could not realistically just hand him the job with such a small sample size.
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Ramsdale is very highly thought of by the powers that be in the footballing world, so even though I don't really see it, there must be something there. He's still very young for a keeper and has the chance to be very good at Arsenal long term IMO. And I think he has the kind of ball skills to play out from the back that Arteta (and most modern coaches) wants, even though he went long most of the time last year due to team tactics/style of play.
See lots of positives and he is arguably the best young HG option available. Just really don't like the price.
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Do you guys prefer Odegaard or Maddison? I like that Maddison scores more goals, but I'm concerned about him being injury prone. Odegaard probably has a better price tag, and I love him as a player, just would hope he provides more goals since we desperately need it.
Maddison - Cost, injury history, Rodger dogging him for commitment & work rate and his own admission that he sees himself as an 8/8.5 rather than a 10. All those are huge red flags for me. Feel like we would be getting a further developed Willock.

Odegaard - Still adjusting to the EPL. Impact not ideal yet. More of a passer then a scorer but we need a creative passer to get PEA rolling again.. Better age profile for the potential of resale.

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4:10p, 8/11/21
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I think they're saying 23M or 25M for Ramsdale which is pricey, but I'm sure they're expecting him to be #1 after this year when Leno leaves. So technically a lot for a backup yes, but he won't be a backup for long.

Ideally we could get both Maddison and Odegaard (as he could play an 8 as you said), but probably not realistic. I don't think Willock is just a fit for Arsenal. He's not an elite passer. He's a better fit for a counter attacking club where we can carry the ball a lot. He may be great for Newcastle but I would definitely sell him.
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4:16p, 8/11/21
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Lol we're in the Round 2 draw for the Carabao Cup since we aren't in Europe.

We just drew West Brom
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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 4:52p, 8/11/21
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Strangely Attractive said:
I think they're saying 23M or 25M for Ramsdale which is pricey, but I'm sure they're expecting him to be #1 after this year when Leno leaves. So technically a lot for a backup yes, but he won't be a backup for long.
Agreed. Deal as I have read it is 24m GBP that could reach 30m with add-ons. From what I have read, they like his passing (more Bournemouth then Sheffield) and have seen enough of his technique, etc... to believe that while not perfect now he is young enough and has enough upside that he could easily be just as good if not better than Leno as a shot stopper within 1-2 yrs. Leno's deal expires in 2 yrs and it is expected that we will sell him by next summer and that Ramsdale would become the #1 between now and then.

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Ideally we could get both Maddison and Odegaard (as he could play an 8 as you said), but probably not realistic. I don't think Willock is just a fit for Arsenal. He's not an elite passer. He's a better fit for a counter attacking club where we can carry the ball a lot. He may be great for Newcastle but I would definitely sell him.
A) I don't think we can afford both
B) I'm not sure that what we need is a #8. We have Partey, Lokonga (arguably #6 or #8) and Azeez

While I agree that we need 2 MF. I think the target should be #10 and #6/DLP.

For the #10, ideally I would want someone that could rotate with ESR because I think he has earned the right to play when healthy. For me that eliminates Maddison because he would expect to start. Odegaard has already been here and knows that the #10 spot isn't necessarily a guarantee but his chances are much greater than at Real. However, if it was my decision to make, I would be pushing hard Nkunku at Leipzig. He is young, athletic, positionally diverse and has put up some excellent assists and general passing numbers while playing part time in several positions/roles.

For the #6, I want someone that can either take Xhaka's spot now or someone young that can push him and possibly take his job by end of season. Lokonga may be that guy in which case we may need actually need a #8 that can backup Partey and compete with Azeez but I think Maddison is too high profile a guy for that role..
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I still don't understand why no big clubs have seemingly shown a lot of interest in Nkunku. I thought for sure he was gonna move this summer
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Whew
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