Arsenal 2021-2022 Thread

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10:05a, 2/13/22
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Need LCFC to make this a great weekend. Also watching the Newcastle match, Joelinton committed about 3 YC fouls in about 5 secs. Gets 1 card.
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10:57a, 2/13/22
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Just saw the Tottenham-Wolves score


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In reply to wangus12 • 11:12a, 2/13/22
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Someone on Reddit posted a gif of Davy Propper (Brighton) from last year where he yanked a player down by his arm and then slide tackled another player from behind in a metter of 5-10 sec. Both were borderline straight red. He recieved a single yellow.

Edit... Found it...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/sqchx3/michael_oliver_gave_brightons_davy_propper_just_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
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11:20a, 2/13/22
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Would love to Saliba back. He's had a good year. I forget how young he still isseems like ages ago he joined Arsenal.

I think Arteta would like to have his passing. They're a good match there. And to someone's earlier point, he could be a good option on the right in a 3 person back line if Arteta wants to flirt with that again.


Not sure I would expect to see Guendouzi ever play for us again but man, I still feel like he's got so much potential. Looks like he took a step forward offensively this year.

And hey, I don't think either one has a red card this season!
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11:24a, 2/13/22
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Lots of outlets suggest Evan Ndicka would be a target if Saliba won't/doesn't come back

Much prefer to get Saliba back and spend that 20 million somewhere else
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In reply to chjoak • 11:25a, 2/13/22
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Yeah that's awful
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 11:45a, 2/13/22
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If Saliba isnt back it will be in part because we sold him for 50m+. With how he has performed this season, i dont see anyway we sell him for less. Getting 50m+ for Saliba and spending 20m on N'Dika wouldnt be terrible business except the fact that we would be selling a HG and replacing with an international.
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12:08p, 2/13/22
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Yeah, would rather have the better homegrown kid even if we ended up with a little bit more $ to spend

I say 20 million but I'm not sure N'dicka wouldn't cost more than that
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12:28p, 2/13/22
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So predictable by Leicester
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In reply to wangus12 • 2:03p, 2/13/22
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wangus12 said:
So predictable by Leicester
True but just a point is still good for us
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5:13p, 2/13/22
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Martinelli was has been seen training as a #9 quite a bit since the end of the window leading to speculation that we are planning for him to be the backup ST the rest of the window and likely in the rotation at ST next season rather than reloading the position with all new players in the summer.

There is also some rumor that we are tracking Chelsea ST Armando Broja who is on loan at Southampton. Don't think Broja is ready to lead the line for the EL/CL squad but if Arteta isn't convinced of David and Edu/Arteta don't believe that Isak is worth his release clause (90m euro) it would make sense to snag an inexpensive vet ST (we were linked with Raul de Tomas & Mehdi Taremi in Jan) and have Martinelli & Broja as young rotational backups until one is ready to take over.
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In reply to chjoak • 6:03p, 2/13/22
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Chelsea would shaft us for Broja
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In reply to wangus12 • 6:08p, 2/13/22
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wangus12 said:
Chelsea would shaft us for Broja

Ive seen claims that they have quoted Soton 20m or 40m to get him permanent. 40m doesnt make sense. Transfermarkt has him under 10m and they got under 40m for Tammy.
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9:17p, 2/13/22
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Alright Stan! Time to invest that Super Bowl money into your other team
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9:12a, 2/15/22
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Tomiyasu is back training. Elena is also back in training after AFCON
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11:48a, 2/15/22
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Where did this Gnabry chatter come from?
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In reply to Ag Since 83 • 11:58a, 2/15/22
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Ag Since 83 said:
Where did this Gnabry chatter come from?
Contract expiring in 2023. Talk that he might want a change. Has said in the past that if he were to return to England, Arsenal would be his #1 option. We need a ST & CM but I think you gotta consider that option as well. Martinelli has a future at ST and can also play both Ws. ESR can play both LW & AM. Gnabry can play both Ws. Make your CM purchase a true single pivot #6 (Kamara? Adams?) and then run a 4-3-3/4-1-4-1 of...

----------- New ST ------------
Gnabry - ESR - MO - Saka
----------- New DM -----------
KT --- Gabi -- White -- Tomi
------------ Rams ---------------

You can use this and a 4-2-3-1 depending on personnel and plenty of playing time to go around because of all of the positional versatility.
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12:50p, 2/16/22
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Seeing tons of links to a move for Milan LW Rafael Leao. He's 6'2" and 22yo. Started off a ST for Sporting. Moved to Lille in 2018 and Milan in 2019. Was converted to LW last season and has played there exclusively this year and currently has 10g 4a in all comps. His stats indicate that he is a dribbler/shooter with strong aerial ability vs a passer/playmaker so many are speculating that we want to bring him in and convert him back to ST.

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In reply to chjoak • 1:34p, 2/16/22
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All I see in that still is an Arsenal red card even if that dude didn't make contact
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In reply to chjoak • 2:17p, 2/16/22
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Can he be our poor-because-our-owner-won't-give-us-money-man's Cristiano Ronaldo?

Hangs on the left but has the freedom to move centrally when play dictates it...?
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2:22p, 2/16/22
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The link to Leao and talk of Martinelli playing ST just keeps strengthening my thoughts that we ought to go get Jonathan David and shift to a 4-2-2-2. Would require us to shift MO to either a #8 (not sure he would be defensive enough in that formation), play him at RW (rotate with Saka) or work on his shooting to play in the forward rotation as a SS. Besides MO, the rest of the roster (and academy) seems to work so well in a 4-2-2-2.
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9:50p, 2/16/22
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So what would this 4-2-2-2 lineup look like if you included Leao and David?
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9:51p, 2/16/22
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I'm not sure why we're not giving minutes to Pepe time at Striker. Heck, in my mind even Smith-Rowe could play a similar false 9 role like Laca has been playing.
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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 6:07a, 2/17/22
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Strangely Attractive said:
So what would this 4-2-2-2 lineup look like if you included Leao and David?

ST - David, Leao, Martinelli, MO (as a rotational SS)
W - ESR, Saka, Pepe, MO
CM - Xhaka, Partey, Sambi, New DM (hopefully x2 so we can sell Xhaka), MO (if he can improve his defense)
CB - Gabi, White, Saliba, Holding
FB - KT, Tomi, Tavares, Cedric/Someone new
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In reply to Strangely Attractive • 6:22a, 2/17/22
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Strangely Attractive said:
I'm not sure why we're not giving minutes to Pepe time at Striker. Heck, in my mind even Smith-Rowe could play a similar false 9 role like Laca has been playing.
Pepe doesn't have the skillset for ST the way Arteta wants to play. He can technically make the runs in behind like PEA but he has little to no holdup play, has never shown much for aerial abilities and looses possession too often in tight spaces. For us his best bet is W but he loses possession too much against the "park the bus" teams so it's hard to justify him ever being a regular starter for us. His ideal position/scheme would be as a 4-4-2 ST or a 3-4-3/4-3-3 winger for a team that runs a press and counter offense. That way he can utilize his speed and finishing without exposing his possession deficiencies.
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7:47a, 2/17/22
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I'll be very curious to see what happens with the RB situation. They're obviously gonna want someone young to challenge Tomi. I could see them riding out Cedric for one more year (contract till 2024) as the backup and then promoting Brooke Norton-Cuffy from the U23s. He's on loan right now at Lincoln City and has looked really good. Hopefully they can get him out next year to a championship side to continue growing and then fold him in to the squad in 2023.
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In reply to wangus12 • 8:14a, 2/17/22
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wangus12 said:
I'll be very curious to see what happens with the RB situation. They're obviously gonna want someone young to challenge Tomi. I could see them riding out Cedric for one more year (contract till 2024) as the backup and then promoting Brooke Norton-Cuffy from the U23s. He's on loan right now at Lincoln City and has looked really good. Hopefully they can get him out next year to a championship side to continue growing and then fold him in to the squad in 2023.
For how we currently play at RB are options. Keep hearing rumors about Cedric leaving. I think he may have finally realized that he isn't gonna play much and may look to go. The question is whether anyone wants him enough to buy him or we have to do another "free transfer" to get rid of him. In addition to your scenario, I could see us snagging a DM that can also play RB (Adams?) and just run with White & the DM as rotational backups. That actually works really well for Saliba getting more playing time as well.
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11:20a, 2/17/22
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Definitely no bias in EPL refs. Cucurella is staring straight at the ref and nothing gets called.


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11:26a, 2/17/22
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That happens on 1/2 the throws and 1/2 the free kicks in every pro match. Yeah it's delaying a restart. If they call it teams will be 8v7. It gets called in every non pro game 100% of the time.

Martinelli was booked for two fouls. Both UB.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 11:31a, 2/17/22
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Mathguy64 said:
That happens on 1/2 the throws and 1/2 the free kicks in every pro match. Yeah it's delaying a restart. If they call it teams will be 8v7. It gets called in every non pro game 100% of the time.

Martinelli was booked for two fouls. Both UB.
Your comment doesn't make the situation any better or justifiable. If ref's started showing yellow for ALL of these situations then the delay's would stop.

Martinelli's first yellow was for jumping in front of the throw-in and trying to delay it. What McTominay did was 10x worse. He actually put his hands on a player and physically prevented the restart. All he got a warning. He also had 3-4 reckless challenges in a 10 min span and was not booked for any of them.
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In reply to chjoak • 11:40a, 2/17/22
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chjoak said:
Mathguy64 said:
That happens on 1/2 the throws and 1/2 the free kicks in every pro match. Yeah it's delaying a restart. If they call it teams will be 8v7. It gets called in every non pro game 100% of the time.

Martinelli was booked for two fouls. Both UB.
Your comment doesn't make the situation any better or justifiable. If ref's started showing yellow for ALL of these situations then the delay's would stop.
I dont disagree one bit. But at the professional level everyone does it and its accepted. Thats not the refs making that decision. Its what the league/players/teams expect at that level. And its in every single professional league in the world. Not a game goes by where someone doesnt toss a ball away, or grab a player.

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Martinelli's first yellow was for jumping in front of the throw-in and trying to delay it. What McTominay did was 10x worse. He actually put his hands on a player and physically prevented the restart. All he got a warning. He also had 3-4 reckless challenges in a 10 min span and was not booked for any of them.
But Martinelli didnt prevent a restart. He fouled a player who took a restart and who put the ball in play. The card was for shove.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 12:01p, 2/17/22
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Mathguy64 said:

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Martinelli's first yellow was for jumping in front of the throw-in and trying to delay it. What McTominay did was 10x worse. He actually put his hands on a player and physically prevented the restart. All he got a warning. He also had 3-4 reckless challenges in a 10 min span and was not booked for any of them.
But Martinelli didnt prevent a restart. He fouled a player who took a restart and who put the ball in play. The card was for shove.
There was no shove on the 1st yellow. He attempted to block the throw from happening and the player's hands hit Martinelli on his follow through.
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In reply to chjoak • 12:16p, 2/17/22
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chjoak said:
Mathguy64 said:

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Martinelli's first yellow was for jumping in front of the throw-in and trying to delay it. What McTominay did was 10x worse. He actually put his hands on a player and physically prevented the restart. All he got a warning. He also had 3-4 reckless challenges in a 10 min span and was not booked for any of them.
But Martinelli didnt prevent a restart. He fouled a player who took a restart and who put the ball in play. The card was for shove.
There was no shove on the 1st yellow. He attempted to block the throw from happening and the player's hands hit Martinelli on his follow through.
https://streamable.com/rx2k56

ETA. They should be arguing the second card should not be allowed. Technically the throw was a foul throw. You cant see from that clip but the player taking it had lifted his foot. He was a couple of inches off the ground.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 12:19p, 2/17/22
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I've watched that video several times as well as another angle that I can't find right now. He didn't shove anyone. Maybe hit the guys arm but no way it was enough force and at the right physical location to knock the thrower down. The thrower took a dive and the ref fell for it.
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8:26a, 2/18/22
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I've found us a backup RB

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