*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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Cliff.Booth
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I think a lot of people will take pages of actual forum users speculating on what they have seen and are thinking over 50 X posts of critics none of us trust.
Enrico Pallazzo
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I have no idea who these people are, and of a couple I pulled up, one had 500 followers and the other had 1200. I mean, wtf is the point of bringing that here other than a meltdown?
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I have a feeling if any these reactions were negative you'd be championing the hell out of them. Also, why is your opinion or anyone's else's here more valid than theirs? I have no ****ing clue who you are just the same, so why should I put your eventual opinion above or equal to theirs? I know y'all think critics are some snooty lib monolith of groupthink, but that's simply not the reality.
Enrico Pallazzo
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Again, I want this movie to be good. I also don't care if people on the internet find my opinion valid; I'm not selling it. thankfully, there isn't some hysterical person that takes my opinion and runs with it to other random social media sites because that would be ****ing weird. That said, if I was a legit critic, I would hope to have more than 529 followers
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Again, I've been doing this for years and years on this board, for every big blockbuster, two or three times a year. This isn't some special occasion where I'm hysterically running here to post these.

Regardless, as over-the-top as early reactions can sometimes be, more often than not they serve as a bellwether for reactions to come. That, and we've been waiting months to see how the movie will be received, this is our first indication, and it's worth chronicling. To that end, for everyone who *****es about how many I post, just as many enjoy it, and have thanked me for not having to seek reactions themselves. Usually I do post fewer, but this is such a massive movie, and a lightening rod of a movie at that, that it felt worth noting the overwhelming positive response.
Enrico Pallazzo
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We know why you posted 50 and what you just posted isn't it. Seriously, these people have no followers. Why should I believe they even saw it? Or better yet, why can't you pause for a second and think "is it worthwhile to share what someone with 500 or 1000 or 1500 followers thinks?" Just some random account on a site known for random accounts.
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Why do followers equal legitimacy in your mind? The point is they're all either accredited critics or legitimate journalists officially invited to press screenings, meaning they're professionals in their field. But just because they're professionals doesn't mean they all have big social media followings. That's not a prerequisite for the job, nor does it validate their opinions.
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Early reviews on X are outstanding. Can't wait.
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CharleyKerfeld
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Early reviews on X are outstanding. Can't wait.

Please don't talk about the actual movie, this thread isn't about that.
Langley
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All these reviews give me flashbacks of disclosure…and almost every other BIG movie.

Getting big letdown vibes

MW03
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#1 I appreciate the tweets. Keeps me from having to go on X or whatever to see what people are saying.

#2 The tweets are far more entertaining than most of this board, including some variation of "calm down, buddy" trolls

#3 It's clear a lot of people on this board really, really want this movie to be bad, and I genuinely don't understand why. One of the best directors of a generation is spending a trip to tell one of the greatest tales ever. How could you root for that to fail? It's crazy pants.

#4 I'm extremely interested to read a critical review to help triangulate this thing. If anyone sees one, please post it.

#5 I'm a confessed stan for Nolan so take everything I say on the subject with a grain of salt.
MW03
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FWIW, people going on and on about the set pieces reminds me of this scene from 30 Rock

TCTTS
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There were only like twelve of those uber positive Disclosure Day reactions initially, you could make out the hedging here and there in a few of them, and none of them were from folks I 100% trusted. Granted, I was optimistic they would be indicative of the reactions to follow, but unfortunately they weren't.

Either way, they weren't anywhere close to what we're seeing now. This is an overwhelming number and an overwhelmingly positive response. Could the next wave be less enthusiastic? Sure. But usually, when early praise is this high in number, this consistent, this effusive, and this unanimous, it's the real deal.
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TCTTS said:

There were only like twelve of those uber positive reactions initially, you could make out the hedging here and there in a few of them, and none of them were from folks I 100% trusted. Granted, I was optimistic they would be indicative of the reactions to follow, but unfortunately they weren't.

Either way, they weren't anywhere close to what we're seeing now. This is an overwhelming number and an overwhelmingly positive response. Could the next wave be less enthusiastic? Sure. But usually, when early praise is this high in number, this consistent, this effusive, and this unanimous, it's the real deal.


Hope it's great and up to Nolan standards.

To me, as an outsider, it feels like blowhards trying to one up the last for prestige.

Again basing this on the "x" atmosphere. Would be more interested if someone came out and and gave a lick of criticism.

Not expecting that because they would be seen in a bad light.
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Thank you! [/Michael Scott gif]

As for negative reactions, I'll post any I come across, I just literally haven't seen a single one yet.
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MW03 said:


#3 It's clear a lot of people on this board really, really want this movie to be bad, and I genuinely don't understand why. One of the best directors of a generation is spending a trip to tell one of the greatest tales ever. How could you root for that to fail? It's crazy pants..
This is my take too. Nolan is in my opinion the best popcorn director of the century. And people are rooting for this thing to fail based on a couple of casting choices. It's lame culture war BS based on internet echo chambers.
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CharleyKerfeld said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Early reviews on X are outstanding. Can't wait.

Please don't talk about the actual movie, this thread isn't about that.

Please for the love of God can we create a new thread when the movie comes out.

I want this film to be good. Its one of my favorite stories. I'm not super pumped because the trailers and dialogue just seem off and I'm worried since its his interpretation that key components of the story may be changed.
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We'll create a "spoiler" thread for sure.

Over/under on how many posts it then takes, once said thread is created, for someone to make a comment to the effect of "Lol how can we spoil a 2800-year-old book?"

Let's say five and I'm taking the under.
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Rigs
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At 54 pages before opening, do we hit 60 pages before?

Wish there was a Kalshi for that.
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34 replies per page, a little over five pages until we hit 60 = roughly 170 more posts.

10 days until the release = roughly 17 posts per day.

I think that's easily doable, but a couple slow days and perhaps not.

I could just post more reactions, but then certain heads would explode and we'd suddenly be down a bunch of contributors.
Rigs
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I mean…3.5 pages yesterday. And that was a Monday.
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Rigs said:

I mean…3.5 pages yesterday. And that was a Monday.


Nearly two pages of that were tweets
FL_Ag1998
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The early reaction tweets for any movie have become almost meaningless to me because it appears to be more or less groupthink these days. On top of that its obvious that each one of these people are trying to outdo themselves with the praise or criticism so they can have their tweet go viral.

I think the movie will be exactly what everyone has been predicting....a spectacle. Every Nolan movie is one. The only question will be whether you like Nolan's version of the story, which at this point we know is an updated modernized retelling with different perspectives from Homer's original. I find Lupita Nyong'os comments in the recent interview extremely ignorant and arrogant. They just prove that she's never actually done her homework on the original story and is only concerned with her modern feminist perspective.

And I'd argue christopher nolan is not right wing, he's merely kept his political ideals out of his movies until now. But I'd also say that's an argument for a different thread.

I'm already on record saying I disagree with his casting choices. That's because I'm disappointed with the motivation behind them - which is Nolan using this opportunity to tell a modernized version that falls in line with his current perspectives and sensibilities. I'd much rather he use his filmmaking gifts to respect a story that's grander and more epic than anything he could ever come up with on his own; I'd rather he simply film Homer's vision, not his own (or Emily Wilson's vision).

But I'll see it and try to judge it for what it is. I may walk away convinced it was a colossal swing and a miss and a missed opportunity. Or it may be an incredible movie which simply needs to be classified as its own story that's merely "inspired by" Homer's Odyssey.


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veryfuller said:

Obviously these tweets are just reactions, but it does at least seem to be entertaining.

My biggest takeaway from them, which should be encouraging to everyone who has been uninspired by the trailers, is that there seems to be A LOT that we haven't seen in the trailers that is exciting and works well.


I saw the Trojan horse 8 minute trailer before project Hail Mary. By the end of it I forgot what movie I came to see and wanted the trailer to keep going
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double aught said:

MW03 said:


#3 It's clear a lot of people on this board really, really want this movie to be bad, and I genuinely don't understand why. One of the best directors of a generation is spending a trip to tell one of the greatest tales ever. How could you root for that to fail? It's crazy pants..
This is my take too. Nolan is in my opinion the best popcorn director of the century. And people are rooting for this thing to fail based on a couple of casting choices. It's lame culture war BS based on internet echo chambers.


To be fair you're oversimplifying why most people are upset. Its not just because of casting choices. Rather the casting choices are indicative of Nolan's overall approach to the story - rather than simply putting the original story on film, Nolan is drastically reinterpreting it to fit modern sensibilities. Maybe it'll work and be cool and moving, maybe it won't, maybe it'll fall somewhere in between.
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veryfuller said:

Obviously these tweets are just reactions, but it does at least seem to be entertaining.

My biggest takeaway from them, which should be encouraging to everyone who has been uninspired by the trailers, is that there seems to be A LOT that we haven't seen in the trailers that is exciting and works well.


Agreed, and that's why I'm still somewhat encouraged to go see this.
Claude!
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"It makes It's a Wonderful Life look like Pulp Fiction" could be taken in several ways.
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Saxsoon said:

veryfuller said:

Obviously these tweets are just reactions, but it does at least seem to be entertaining.

My biggest takeaway from them, which should be encouraging to everyone who has been uninspired by the trailers, is that there seems to be A LOT that we haven't seen in the trailers that is exciting and works well.


I saw the Trojan horse 8 minute trailer before project Hail Mary. By the end of it I forgot what movie I came to see and wanted the trailer to keep going

Exactly the way I felt when seeing the Dark Knight bank heist before I am Legend
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Matt Damon is on Good Hang with Amy Poehler this week and Nolan introduces him. Her first question to Nolan is really good.

She basically asks him how he competes with the imagination of people who read/studied/loved the story that is 3000 years old?

He says you can't. He learned on The Dark Knight trilogy not to try, but to really give it your most sincere attempt to do justice to the material, do it with a seriousness and an appreciation for the original text. But it has to be your own interpretation.

I think this is a great question and explanation for his controversial choices so far, and why some of us are excited to and more inclined to cut him slack until we see it.
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The reason we have these horrid casting decisions is obviously because Nolan must do it if he wants this movie to be considered for the Best Picture Oscar. So basically, you can all thank the Academy for this **** show, and Nolan for caving to this absurdity.

The Academy's rules for Best Picture consideration:

" Representation and Inclusion Standards
To promote diversity, the Academy has established representation standards for films vying for the Best Picture category. Films must meet at least two of the following four standards:
Standard/Description
A1 At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group.
A2 At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration from at least two underrepresented groups (e.g., women, racial or ethnic groups, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities).
B1 The film's story must focus on underrepresented groups.
B2 The film's creative leadership team must include individuals from underrepresented groups."
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So much angst about so many things... I'm just worried about being able to understand most of the dialogue.
 
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