Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela

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In reply to PaulsBunions • 10:06a, 1/3/26
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PaulsBunions said:

80 percent was going there anyway, and as noted earlier it's not that easy to suddenly dump it into American/other refineries (it has to be mixed with easier to refine mixes). And, sending it there also lowers Russian demand from China (slightly), while depriving it from Cuba and Iran (which won't get a drop I would guess).

We want to grow VZ oil production/revenue (for their people to recover financially), so this is the only logical move.

Trump wants the state-level drug trade to stop, and we can't coup Xi, so working with the CCP to a degree is the best option.
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:07a, 1/3/26
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I'm trying to figure something out. How is support or non-support of this type of action a democrat or republican position? I think republicans support it, and Dems oppose it, because Trump did it. If it was a democrat president doing it, the support/opposition would be flipped.

With the exception of social issues, everything else, is uniparty.

I'm relatively ambivalent about this action.

You've hit the nail on the head.

Most Americans couldn't give a flying eff about everyday politics as it is, much less global politics. So this will, at most, just be another news story to the masses. A story they'll forget ever happened by their next meal.

And, yes, if Trump had a D by his name, the left would be supporting this and the right opposing it. Politics 101.
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In reply to blacksox • 10:08a, 1/3/26
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Is kidnapping leaders of other countries an acceptable foreign policy? I guess it doesn't matter, the Trump simps will contort themselves into pretzels justifying it while normal people will not - same as any other outlandish thing this administration does.


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I DID have this on my 2026 bingo card!!
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:08a, 1/3/26
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Queso1 said:
I'm trying to figure something out. How is support or non-support of this type of action a democrat or republican position? I think republicans support it, and Dems oppose it, because Trump did it. If it was a democrat president doing it, the support/opposition would be flipped.

With the exception of social issues, everything else, is uniparty.

I'm relatively ambivalent about this action.


It's just humourous seeing all of the usual suspect Democrats whining that we didn't officially declare war and follow the Constitution. Didn't matter to them under Obama or Biden. Only matters when a Republican is POTUS.

Congress abdicated their war making responsibility decades ago. If they want to rein it back in, then do so and I would support that.

Until then, they can STFU.
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10:08a, 1/3/26
Congress says they weren't informed, but let's see how many of them bought Chevron stock last week...

Heck, even Rex Tillerson probably moved his pension to CVX.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:09a, 1/3/26
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nortex97 said:
PaulsBunions said:

80 percent was going there anyway, and as noted earlier it's not that easy to suddenly dump it into American/other refineries (it has to be mixed with easier to refine mixes). And, sending it there also lowers Russian demand from China (slightly), while depriving it from Cuba and Iran (which won't get a drop I would guess).

We want to grow VZ oil production/revenue (for their people to recover financially), so this is the only logical move.

Trump wants the state-level drug trade to stop, and we can't coup Xi, so working with the CCP to a degree is the best option.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Houston Refining open back up. It was built for Venezuelan crude

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2025/01/24/lyondellbasell-to-lay-off-over-400-employees-as-houston-refinery-prepares-to-shut-down-operation/

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In reply to PaulsBunions • 10:09a, 1/3/26
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PaulsBunions said:


Please give me a better source
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10:09a, 1/3/26
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Im pretty sure libs will be pissed if Trump ends the russian/ukraine war. Un****ingbelievable.
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In reply to 94chem • 10:10a, 1/3/26
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94chem said:
Congress says they weren't informed, but let's see how many of them bought Chevron stock last week...

Heck, even Rex Tillerson probably moved his pension to CVX.


No kidding. Someone go look at Pelosi and Patch McCain's recent buys.
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In reply to 94chem • 10:11a, 1/3/26
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There wasn't a single leak. I am guessing Congress didn't know. The Dems would have leaked because they loved VZ the way it was.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 10:12a, 1/3/26
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The Fall Guy said:
PaulsBunions said:


Please give me a better source


supposedly he said it on Fox and Friends this morning
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 10:12a, 1/3/26
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backintexas2013 said:
There wasn't a single leak. I am guessing Congress didn't know. The Dems would have leaked because they loved VZ the way it was.


Well, we know Sean Penn and Oliver Stone are having a bad day as huge fans of Hugo Chavez and Maduro.
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10:13a, 1/3/26
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Not a big fan of government, but if there is one thing we should be doing as a superpower, it's cleaning up the Americas. Mexico, you're up.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 10:13a, 1/3/26
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Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
PaulsBunions said:


So it's really not about the drugs. Hah


Its about drugs. And oil (not so much our need for it, but to control how Venezuela uses it). And gangs. And chavismo. And china. And Russia.

But sure. Oil


It's pretty clear now, the drugs were the cover story. Everything else, is what really mattered.


Its pretty clear it is all the above


We never said it was about Venezuela's resources. If it was about the drugs, we wouldn't assume control of their hydrocarbon fields. Appears to be another resource play with a provocative cover story.
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In reply to JW • 10:14a, 1/3/26
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Not a big fan of government, but if there is one thing we should be doing as a superpower, it's cleaning up the Americas. Mexico, you're up.

Yeah, and Columbia and the cartels in and around Colony Ridge
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 10:14a, 1/3/26
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Queso1 said:
I'm trying to figure something out. How is support or non-support of this type of action a democrat or republican position? I think republicans support it, and Dems oppose it, because Trump did it. If it was a democrat president doing it, the support/opposition would be flipped.

With the exception of social issues, everything else, is uniparty.

I'm relatively ambivalent about this action.

You've hit the nail on the head.

Most Americans couldn't give a flying eff about everyday politics as it is, much less global politics. So this will, at most, just be another news story to the masses. A story they'll forget ever happened by their next meal.

And, yes, if Trump had a D by his name, the left would be supporting this and the right opposing it. Politics 101.


lol sci fi type questioning.

Biden and the democrats had the chance and would support maduro for another 100 years.

They would never do this move. He was one of their own.

And just needed more time to correctly install communism.
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In reply to 94chem • 10:15a, 1/3/26
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This isn't about drugs (or even oil). Like it was said earlier in the thread, that's just the cover story. This is about sending a message to BRICS (mainly China) that the western hemisphere is ours and they can't/won't do anything about it.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 10:15a, 1/3/26
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blacksox said:
Is kidnapping leaders of other countries an acceptable foreign policy? I guess it doesn't matter, the Trump simps will contort themselves into pretzels justifying it while normal people will not - same as any other outlandish thing this administration does.


DJT better watch out...Dems are hunkered down with their blue hairs and cat lady's, market testing new protest rhymes and tik tok dances.
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10:17a, 1/3/26
This decision obviously is multi-faceted.

Legally it needs to be direct to Maduro and the charges he faces here so you'll hear the drugs.

Geo-politically it not only removes a Xi/Putin western hemisphere puppet, but it serves as a stark message to Colombia, Brazil and Cuba to tread lightly.

For democracy, we pray the military in VZ does the right thing and stand down to allow Maria Corina and Edmundo to rightfully lead the country as they were elected to do in 2024. And if that happens, we then have a major strategic ally back on the side of freedom and their people have the education and natural resources to thrive.
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10:17a, 1/3/26
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In reply to BlackGold • 10:17a, 1/3/26
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BlackGold said:
Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
PaulsBunions said:


So it's really not about the drugs. Hah


Its about drugs. And oil (not so much our need for it, but to control how Venezuela uses it). And gangs. And chavismo. And china. And Russia.

But sure. Oil


It's pretty clear now, the drugs were the cover story. Everything else, is what really mattered.


Its pretty clear it is all the above


We never said it was about Venezuela's resources. If it was about the drugs, we wouldn't assume control of their hydrocarbon fields. Appears to be another resource play with a provocative cover story.


Already answered multiple times. It's about preventing China, Russia, and Iran getting a stronghold in the Western Hemisphere. It's official US policy now to combat it.

It's why you see us saying Monroe Doctrine 2.0.

If we get better access to VZ oil and get their production back to pre-communist levels then bonus for them and anyone else that consumes it.
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In reply to Rossticus • 10:18a, 1/3/26
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Rossticus said:
I agree. If they have a problem with it then they can start taking their jobs seriously and do what the constitution allows for.


How about going after the trillions of fraud that they appropriated the funds for to NGOs and state governments?
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10:18a, 1/3/26
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Dems are praying for US troop casualties
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In reply to BlackGold • 10:19a, 1/3/26
BlackGold said:
Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
Who?mikejones! said:
BlackGold said:
PaulsBunions said:


So it's really not about the drugs. Hah


Its about drugs. And oil (not so much our need for it, but to control how Venezuela uses it). And gangs. And chavismo. And china. And Russia.

But sure. Oil


It's pretty clear now, the drugs were the cover story. Everything else, is what really mattered.


Its pretty clear it is all the above


We never said it was about Venezuela's resources. If it was about the drugs, we wouldn't assume control of their hydrocarbon fields. Appears to be another resource play with a provocative cover story.


Its not about that single thing, even primarily
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In reply to Fumbleruski • 10:19a, 1/3/26
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Fumbleruski said:
This isn't about drugs (or even oil). Like it was said earlier in the thread, that's just the cover story. This is about sending a message to BRICS (mainly China) that the western hemisphere is ours and they can't/won't do anything about it.

It can be about all three at the same time...I'd also add to that getting immigrants out of America back to Venezuela
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In reply to Sid Farkas • 10:21a, 1/3/26
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Sid Farkas said:
Dems are praying for US troop casualties

Unanswered prayers.

LOL, and bonus this is actually an anti-war anthem, written in haste after he learned of a senators son getting a draft deferment.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 10:23a, 1/3/26
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blacksox said:
Is kidnapping leaders of other countries an acceptable foreign policy? I guess it doesn't matter, the Trump simps will contort themselves into pretzels justifying it while normal people will not - same as any other outlandish thing this administration does.


blacksox defends narcoterrorist and despondent…

I DID have this on my 2026 bingo card!!

blacksox is playing loose and hard with the word "leader". Maduro was not elected (he was defeated in recent elections in Venezuela) to lead any country.
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In reply to 94chem • 10:23a, 1/3/26
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94chem said:
Congress says they weren't informed, but let's see how many of them bought Chevron stock last week...

Heck, even Rex Tillerson probably moved his pension to CVX.


Look back before Christmas as the operation was allegedly delayed from December 23rd.
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10:24a, 1/3/26
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No surprise to see who supports and defend maduro


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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 10:24a, 1/3/26
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Who?mikejones! said:
YouBet said:
Putin is just pissed because he doesn't have the capability to do this with Zelensky. Or he would have.


he tried, iirc. But his forces got whacked and his airborne got decimated

His airborne troops got whacked by National Guard Troops making it even more embarrassing!
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10:24a, 1/3/26
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Oil down.

Cocaine up.

King deposed.

Lefties big mad.
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10:24a, 1/3/26
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Oil time
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In reply to Saxsoon • 10:25a, 1/3/26
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One of the positives I saw in Trump was the no new wars stuff.

Guess I was wrong
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Oil time


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