Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Good article that attempts to articulate how the USA has understood and implemented its power since dropping the bomb. Worth a read.

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The bomb did more than end a war. It altered America's relationship to power itself. When the United States became the first nation capable of annihilating cities in a single act, moral recoil was immediate and sincere. American culture, which Protestant seriousness and a belief that power entails responsibility shaped, absorbed the shock deeply. Strength ceased to feel morally neutral. It began to feel dangerous simply by existing.

That instinct was not wrong. Nuclear weapons demanded restraint. Prudence was rational. But the psychological effect did not remain confined to nuclear strategy. Over time, American power itself acquired an asterisk. It required justification, apology, limitation.

Responsibility subtly transformed from stewardship into suspicion.

The cultural shorthand for this instinct is almost embarrassingly familiar. As Stan Lee famously put it, "With great power comes great responsibility." The line was never meant as a warning against action; nor was it a simple comic book slogan. It was a statement of duty. Power implied obligation, not paralysis.


https://pjmedia.com/jamie-wilson/2026/01/03/the-gentle-giant-problem-why-america-stopped-using-its-power-n4947851


I'll read it later but gosh I'm tired of reading stuff that was obviously put through the AI filter. This section you quoted here is gold standard AI generated. It's all structured the same way and sounds the same regardless of the topic. We've somehow overnight commoditized written language with AI.

Rant over.


Here's one that is definitely not AI and is also substantively solid.

https://open.substack.com/pub/blackmon/p/trumps-venezuela-move-a-17-trillion?r=1eb7tu&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay

The Trump Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine:
"After years of neglect, the United States will reassert and enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore American preeminence in the Western Hemisphere, and to protect our homeland and our access to key geographies throughout the region. We will deny non-Hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities, or to own or control strategically vital assets, in our Hemisphere." - Passage contained in the Trump Administration's 2025 National Security Strategy published November, 2025.
The Donroe Doctrine.
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Trump needs to let Rubio take over comms on this from here forward. When he talks, things are suddenly logical and make sense. I love Trump's ability to recognize a problem and attack it head on with zero ****s given, but Rubio is a master class SecState. Let him do this job.
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I love this window into how Russia (and China to an extent) will be viewing this.



"The inevitable has happened. The United States has carried out a coup in Venezuela, has attacked the country, and has shown that international law means nothing to a country that considers itself hegemonic. In short, it has shown how a great power should act against emerging threats before they become too serious and insurmountable (he is justifying and comparing it to Russia).

For us, this is not just another painful blow, because we have pampered this Maduro as if he were a treasure (note: those who protect the Chavista regime perhaps do so because this connection benefits them. It is further proof of how the United States is cornering all the world's oil.

In fact, they have now established control over Venezuelan oil. That is, they have gained additional advantages in the global game they are playing against China. The next step will be Iranian oil (here I must say that's not usually how it goes, for example, there was always talk of U.S. exploitation of Iraqi oil, but the distribution of capacity among countries ended up like this: China with 50/60%, Russia 12/18%, United Kingdom 30/35%, France +/-5%, USA less than 5%...).

We, once again, have taken a hit to our image. Another nation that counted on Russia's help has not received it (because it lacks the capacity; besides leaving its army in Ukraine, Russia is not a global power). Of course, being completely immersed in the bloody mess of Ukraine, we are practically incapable of doing anything else, much less helping Venezuela in the other hemisphere, right next to the United States.

I think China will also draw serious conclusions from this Trump aggression, realizing that negotiating with him in this way is totally useless and unnecessary: first, he will always deceive (just ask China), and second, he will attack at the first opportune moment."
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Hogties said:

Rubio has been the most impressive Trump pick this time around for sure.


Agreed.

He's grown so much since he got into this position.
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docb said:

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I wish they would stop talking about fentanyl with Venezuela. Do they really think we are that stupid. This is about oil and geopolitical rifts with China and Russia. We are not going to invade a country to help out a bunch of drug addicts.

Do you not understand what kind of burden those drug addicts put on a society?


How about stop using them?

Well ideally, yes. But you leftists have proven time and time again that you can't/won't accept any personal responsibility whatsoever, so cutting off the supply is really the only wait to limit your destruction on the sane, functioning part of society.
Hope that helps
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These Russian statements are incredible to read.

1. The Ukraine invasion hypocrisy might be an all-timer example.
2. Crying that Trump will just deceive China so ask them. lol. Yes, China who broke the mold on deceit and literally has deceit as a core value of their strategic doctrine.

Goodness.
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Rossticus said:



Why?
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this George Galloway show is crazy, lol

https://www.youtube.com/live/NUxnG7PLMSU?si=pUbbnFPOG7l-K0gI
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aggiehawg said:

Rossticus said:



Why?


Probably to prevent a potential mass migration of people fleeing an unstable Venezuela.
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pacecar02 said:

this George Galloway show is crazy, lol

https://www.youtube.com/live/NUxnG7PLMSU?si=pUbbnFPOG7l-K0gI


Galloway is such a tit. Absolutely a BRICS shill and lives up the asses of both Russia and China.
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Oh boo ****ing hoo.
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misterguinness said:

aggiehawg said:

Rossticus said:



Why?


Probably to prevent a potential mass migration of people fleeing an unstable Venezuela.

There has already been a mass migration out of VZ. About 8 million to be exact.
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docb said:

I agree that he should be taken out. But it has a lot more to do than just drugs. Lots of countries push drugs into our country. This is as much to do with China and Russia than drugs.

Venezuela is a 21st century Casablanca or Tombstone. We can't allow our adversaries to setup shop within the flight distance between DFW to O'Hare.
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YouBet said:

These Russian statements are incredible to read.

1. The Ukraine invasion hypocrisy might be an all-timer example.
2. Crying that Trump will just deceive China so ask them. lol. Yes, China who broke the mold on deceit and literally has deceit as a core value of their strategic doctrine.

Goodness.

And China that unleashed Covid on the world.
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Jock 07 said:

docb said:

Jock 07 said:

docb said:

I wish they would stop talking about fentanyl with Venezuela. Do they really think we are that stupid. This is about oil and geopolitical rifts with China and Russia. We are not going to invade a country to help out a bunch of drug addicts.

Do you not understand what kind of burden those drug addicts put on a society?


How about stop using them?

Well ideally, yes. But you leftists have proven time and time again that you can't/won't accept any personal responsibility whatsoever, so cutting off the supply is really the only wait to limit your destruction on the sane, functioning part of society.
Hope that helps

You think I'm a leftist because I'm saying people shouldn't use drugs? Yea that makes no sense at all. I'm saying if you choose poorly you are likely going to suffer the consequences. People make their own choices.
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Why would keeping Rodriguez in play be the thing to do?

She's a Maduro loyalist?
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annie88 said:

Why would keeping Rodriguez in play be the thing to do?

She's a Maduro loyalist?


Dictators like maduro tend to create enemies even with their closest admin members because the dictator ends up feeling threatened by everyone around them. The Jack Ryan series in Venezuela is probably spot on as to what is happening now.

That said I think Maria Cortina is the peoples president and will eventually become the official leader of Venezuela at some point.
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Look like they had one or more of these overhead constantly watching Maduro prior to stopping by for tea and to collect him




https://www.twz.com/air/rq-170-sentinel-stealth-drone-supported-maduro-capture-mission
#FJB
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Really hope they learn from Iraq war on regime change, get rid of everyone that is on the most wanted list!
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According to the Venezuelan constitution, she's the successor to Maduro and then we hope that she'll call for elections and Machado will get elected rather than us installing Machado and having high-level Maduro loyalist overthrow her. Then Diosdado Cabello Rondon, Delcy Rodriguez, Jorge Rodriguez, and Vladimir Padrino Lopez can go off into exile. Otherwise, we get into the you break it, you bought it mess, like we had in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Other than Democrats and Venezuelans part of the Chavez/Maduro regime, the Venezuelan people are happy.
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EX TEXASEX said:




https://www.twz.com/air/rq-170-sentinel-stealth-drone-supported-maduro-capture-mission


Wow. Very rare video.
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The roosters!
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Okay. I have seen some speculation about how the Chinese may have inadvertently outed Maduro's location and movements. The first involved the photographed meeting he had Chinese envoy and identifying the room from the pictures. Fair enough.

The second is more intriguing to me. The Huawei phones the Chinese gave to him have trackers on them. So Beijing could follow his movements believing their encryption of that data was robust enough to protect him. But US military has broken that encryption.

According to this well know Chinese podcaster, XI has now ordered his highest military members to stop using their Huawei phones? Hmm.

Go to 8 minute 12 second mark.
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Everything in that video was rare other than roosters crowing in PR
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Earlier reports said our three letter agencies had eyes on him for months.
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YouBet said:

These Russian statements are incredible to read.

1. The Ukraine invasion hypocrisy might be an all-timer example.
2. Crying that Trump will just deceive China so ask them. lol. Yes, China who broke the mold on deceit and literally has deceit as a core value of their strategic doctrine.

Goodness.


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