Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela

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“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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They better kill him in custody, because if they let it go to trial he's going to be found not guilty (even though he is).
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TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times
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“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times


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If you can't even give a single reason this is not good for America or bad for her enemies then quit bleeding all over the thread.
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I was totally on board with getting rid of Maduro. I hope they dig up Chavez and dump his azz in the Gulf of America.

I am not so on board with "We'll be running it."
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It's not a war. It was a raid....and it's over.
annie88
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“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it

Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times

Was a declaration of War made?
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it

Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times

It was pointed out multiple times that he never ran on no wars. That was something a segment of his supporters ascribed to him that his statements never backed up.
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FAFO will be in Webster's by end of January


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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times


How is this a war?
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rgag12 said:

They better kill him in custody, because if they let it go to trial he's going to be found not guilty (even though he is).


I am fine with him being found not guilty here because then we can extradite him back to venezuela to stand trial for thousands of crimes and likely be hung publicly.
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

The post you quoted literally says he's a trash human and deposing him makes the world a better place. Why do you think I need convincing that he isn't a saint?


Your responses. Thank you. IYKYK…..and you don't.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times


Show us his no war policy
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JFABNRGR said:

rgag12 said:

They better kill him in custody, because if they let it go to trial he's going to be found not guilty (even though he is).


I am fine with him being found not guilty here because then we can extradite him back to venezuela to stand trial for thousands of crimes and likely be hung publicly.

Apparently Argentina has an international warrant out for his arrest as well, so if he gets off in NY, we should extradite him there....
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JFABNRGR said:

rgag12 said:

They better kill him in custody, because if they let it go to trial he's going to be found not guilty (even though he is).


I am fine with him being found not guilty here because then we can extradite him back to venezuela to stand trial for thousands of crimes and likely be hung publicly.


Hanged publicly.

I'm hung publicly.
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Squadron7 said:

JFABNRGR said:

rgag12 said:

They better kill him in custody, because if they let it go to trial he's going to be found not guilty (even though he is).


I am fine with him being found not guilty here because then we can extradite him back to venezuela to stand trial for thousands of crimes and likely be hung publicly.


Hanged publicly.

I'm hung publicly.


I knew something like this would be posted because I was very tempted to do so myself
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2000AgPhD said:

I was totally on board with getting rid of Maduro. I hope they dig up Chavez and dump his azz in the Gulf of America.

I am not so on board with "We'll be running it."


Oh he was "dug" up!
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Do you know what a war is? Is a war only one mission that lasted 2 or 3 hours? With no lost equipment and no lost personal lost. If so, Trump is the greatest war president of our time. Give it to him.
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Nuke_Ag05 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

YouBet said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Harry Stone said:

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Zobel said:

who cares?

should the US oppose chinese expansion in the western hemisphere? or chinese expansion in critical industries and raw materials, to the point of monopolization? or their potential invasion of taiwan?

the world beyond our borders matters. our actions matter.

"hey one time some other people knocked over a statue" is about as facile a comparison as can possibly be made.


First of all if you are so concerned about the Chinese maybe stop them from invading our farm property and other industries in our own damn country. They have bought thousands of acres of land outside of militates throughout the US and we have done nothing about it.

And how are we supposed to be taken seriously about opposing Tawaiin being invaded by a foreign country when we are doing the same exact thing literally. If anything we just gave a green light to China to take Tawaiin off the board


Didnt realize Taiwan's leader was a narcoterrorist dictator who had sanctions against him. Apples to oranges my friend.


Apples and Oranges from our perspective, but China doesn't see it that way. It's entirely plausible to think they could take this as a sign of aggression and feel like their hand has now been forced to invade Taiwan just like Putin felt with Ukraine and the NATO situation.

China has already said they were going to invade Taiwan and by 2027 to be exact. So I see this as somewhat logical fallacy since you simply take them at face value and don't let what they've already said dictate what you should and shouldn't do to protect your own country in your own backyard.

Also, the entire western world has a strategic interest in Taiwan and we've already said we would defend them and so has Japan.

Hell, the UK Defense Minister told China they would nuke China if they did it.


Can you please share a link to China proclaiming their military strategies and even timelines to take Taiwan? I don't think they would share that information with the world but maybe I'm wrong.

Pretty open sourced during Biden administration. Around 2022 I think. PRC was pretty open about their 2035 plan to retake Taiwan. Then that become a 2030 and after our pullout of Afghanistan debacle it became a "we will be ready to take Taiwan by 2027." PLA set its military modernization goals at 2027 to coincide with the PLA centenary. They are also dropping new carriers in the water and setting up depots as well as making strong footholds in space. This all coincides with their goal and timeline to reunify. And all of this is on the google machine and has come straight from Xi and their foreign secretary.


Google is pulling reports from US intelligence that they believe China intends to take Taiwan by 227, but no official statements or claims directly from China claiming this.

My position though isn't that they will invade Taiwan solely because of our actions, but we are giving them the excuse they think they can use to attain what they ultimately want. Putin did the same thing blaming NATO presence in Poland as his reason for invading Ukraine but in reality he just want to do it but waited for the good reason to present itself
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Who?mikejones! said:




Villages are missing their idiots.
annie88
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I have a high school friend who is living in Venezuela and has for years and said he was given a heads-up to stay away from the capital last night and he did. He is OK. I don't know from who he was warned.

This was his initial message:
I am safe.
Warned in advance.
Free Venezuela.

Then when asked about information and Cabello and Lopez he said:

"Thus far all information is being severely repressed locally but there will be in the following hours many, many rumors and false information so try to stick to official news reports from the White House. Cabello is in El Furial according to sources but he is said to have an escape route via Guiria but that has not been confirmed. Diosdado is a bigger target than Maduro."

He is a big supporter of Trump as well.
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What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
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The Unforgiven said:

What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?


This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?

Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?

Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
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HoustonAg2106 said:

TAMUallen said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it

Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans


I voted for Trump 3 times and I'm happy with him closing the border. I'm not happy about him going against his no new wars policy that he ran on multiple times

I'm happy watching my longtime friend born in Venezuela who's father, some siblings, and other family members still live there rejoice all over her social media today. Her feeds are full. She's posted so many videos of her people celebrating. I read your post and think what dog does this person have in this fight that anyone should care about this opinion? Then I see you posted earlier that the right is split 50/50 on this? LMAO.
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Who?mikejones! said:



these ****** couldnt point out Venezuela on a map.

or tell you about what happened. ******s. they just hate Donald Trump.

SAD!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
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HoustonAg2106 said:

The Unforgiven said:

What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?


This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?

Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?

Hint: The mission was decades away from being over


Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
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Countries don't wait for excuses to invade. They do it when they believe they have the capability to win, or when they have no other option.

Can you elevate this discourse at least to a basic adult level? This reads like a model UN discussion.
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I don't think it's necessarily a dumb point to make. Whatever elements of iranian, Cuban, Chinese, and Russian intelligence are in Venezuela will do their best to cause chaos. If they can't have the primary influence over the government then they will just try to destabilize everything.

The plan for the day after is every bit as important as planning for the day of. I don't doubt we have significant inroads already made to stabilize the country after Maduro is gone but it's not an easy thing.
 
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