Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela

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Libs know it. They are just upset that another hero is gone.
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So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".
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Picked a poor night not to texags
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There's no war here. Lol at anyone who thinks this is something beyond a 2 hour ass kicking.

All sorts of prior examples with Grenada and Panama where the president can do this.
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Sq 17 said:

unimboti nkum said:

Gas better be $1.50/gal after this or I'm going to be pissed


The only way gas goes to $1.50 is if this gambit triggers a global recession.
Gas prices go down because of weak demand not over supply of crude
HTH


I follow oil prices closely due to energy investments in OK and TX. Prices have stayed between $55-$60 for months. There was a brief uptick during this maneuver but prices are currently stable around $57.
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Farmer_J said:


I guess this inevitably means that the US will be taking in millions of Venezuela refugees


Quite the opposite. Perhaps many will go home now that Maduro is gone.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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unimboti nkum said:

AtticusMatlock said:

He's going to be charged and put in Florence for narcotics trafficking. Wow.


Will he later be pardoned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Orlando_Hern%C3%A1ndez



Considering Trump authorized this, then probably by the next Democrat POTUS...
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twelve12twelve said:

"No new wars"


Forever war, comrades.

Same way capturing Noriega was a war, right?
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PaulsBunions said:

So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".


War is when two or more nations fight each other for some period of time. Or maybe a nation fights itself.

Its not a single military operation. If Venezuela decides to attack the US Navy now off its coast, perhaps a war could begin. For now, its just a military operation, similar to the thousands weve done before that did not lead to war.

Maduro is going to face trail, probably in front of a friendly judge, and will for sure use it as a microphone
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Hank the Grifter said:

oldarmy76 said:

Cool, back to the war on drugs…just taken up a few notches

The War on Drugs as we know it was an abject failure we all recognize that. But the libertarian argument against it is every bit as moronic. The proliferation and use of drugs is in this country is a huge reason of why we are where we are.
They're an absolute cancer on civilization.


Somewhat off topic but if we are going to declare a war on vices can we please put Draft Kings Fan Duel and all the sports gambling sites out of business
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Mr.Milkshake said:

Gimme that oil
More like "give American companies their assets back."
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Mr.Milkshake said:

Gimme that oil
More like "give American companies their assets back."


Why do all liberals say the same lines over and over? Oil? Seriously? If it wasn't for the US energy and services companies, VZ wouldn't be able to produce a drop of it.
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ExPeterKeating said:

Sq 17 said:

unimboti nkum said:

Gas better be $1.50/gal after this or I'm going to be pissed


The only way gas goes to $1.50 is if this gambit triggers a global recession.
Gas prices go down because of weak demand not over supply of crude
HTH


I follow oil prices closely due to energy investments in OK and TX. Prices have stayed between $55-$60 for months. There was a brief uptick during this maneuver but prices are currently stable around $57.


Okay how closely are the prices of unleaded linked to the price of crude oil ?
What is the time delay between crude going down and unleaded getting cheaper ?
Even if we could open the spigot on VZ oil how soon would oil go down 20% barrel ?
If we could open the spigot to lower oil could the Saudis cut back to keep prices over $50

Demand disruption ( IMO ) has more to do with the price of oil and Unleaded
then US trying to force increase in Foreign supply
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It's all they have. Even if someone hates Trump it's hard to be against this but luckily the Dems have found a way
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Who are the three musketeers?

Gary Berntsen and Patrick Byrne, with Tom Homan in that July briefing to POTUS. The former two one can do a search of to see a lot of videos/stories about their testimony/claims in the past 5 or so months related to elections/Venezuela.
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The open source Intel community on twitter kills me. Just wildly good and bad takes constantly


The "Entire Air Force" didn't turn off transponders for this…majority of what you see on flight radar is mobility aircraft. Literally zero reason for a C-17 or KC-135 over the US to fly less safe for a helo op in South America.


And while the SOAR dudes are exceptionally good at what they do, flying in and out of a country with a total of like 6 SAMs and 10 fighters doesn't really compare to what Russia tried (horribly) in Ukraine or signal any military deterrence to China.


Don't get me wrong, great op. Worthy target. But much much more important for geo politics than military deterrence.
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PaulsBunions said:

So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".


Nice word game there.

People like Trump because he would not start any new wars. He has not started any new wars.


An act of war is not the same. You should know this.

I'm Gipper
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Some on this post already do I'm sure

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Im Gipper said:

PaulsBunions said:

So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".


Nice word game there.

People like Trump because he would not start any new wars. He has not started any new wars.


An act of war is not the same. You should know this.


Settle down I am simply asking a question.
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Pylon Cam said:

The "no new wars" president strikes again

When there's an operation that is pulled off with pinpoint accuracy, there is peace thru strength, not war.

For example... using your logic, we'd already be at war with Iraq.
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Quote:

I am simply asking a question.


No one falls for that any more, sorry Candace.

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B-1 83 said:

Farmer_J said:


I guess this inevitably means that the US will be taking in millions of Venezuela refugees


Quite the opposite. Perhaps many will go home now that Maduro is gone.


You are right. And it isn't like Venezuelans were just hanging out in a Leftists Utopia under Chavez/Maduro. About 1/3 (9 million) left Venezuala. Largest exodus of a population ever without a war.

A lot will go back. Especially those in countries surrounding Venezuela
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Interesting dialog from Trump... looks like the next target is going to be the cartels.
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MookieBlaylock said:

Saxsoon said:

One of the positives I saw in Trump was the no new wars stuff.

Guess I was wrong


a military operation is not a war

good gravy


Neither is a law enforcement operation. This is Panama 2.0 and the operation was 100% justified.
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nu awlins ag said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Mr.Milkshake said:

Gimme that oil

More like "give American companies their assets back."


Why do all liberals say the same lines over and over? Oil? Seriously? If it wasn't for the US energy and services companies, VZ wouldn't be able to produce a drop of it.

Obvious answer thats been apparent for decades. Low IQ's. 5 word chanting during mindless street riots doesnt take a lot of brain cells.

Understanding human nature, history, and economics are not what these folks are about.
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Who?mikejones! said:

PaulsBunions said:

So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".


War is when two or more nations fight each other for some period of time. Or maybe a nation fights itself.

Its not a single military operation. If Venezuela decides to attack the US Navy now off its coast, perhaps a war could begin. For now, its just a military operation, similar to the thousands weve done before that did not lead to war.

Maduro is going to face trail, probably in front of a friendly judge, and will for sure use it as a microphone


So in this case its not a "war" because Venezuela did not fight back?
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45-70Ag said:




Appears they took a page from Israel and just cut the heads off the snake as much as possible
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BillYeoman said:

B-1 83 said:

Farmer_J said:


I guess this inevitably means that the US will be taking in millions of Venezuela refugees


Quite the opposite. Perhaps many will go home now that Maduro is gone.


You are right. And it isn't like Venezuelans were just hanging out in a Leftists Utopia under Chavez/Maduro. About 1/3 (9 million) left Venezuala. Largest exodus of a population ever without a war.

A lot will go back. Especially those in countries surrounding Venezuela

This. Millions get to go home to what was once the most prosperous nation in South America, well until they voted for that socialist pig Chavez. Hopefully they've learned an obvious lesson.
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Imo, yes. Its hard to not says bombing inside another nations borders isnt an act of war. this was more police action done by the military to capture a most wanted person and leader of a violent drug cartel.

Venezuela would be justified in striking back. But, this isnt us invading Panama or Grenada. Theres no invasion coming. Should Venezuela attempt to strike back, their navy and airforce will be totally destroyed in about 5 mins time.

But thats part of trumps/the usa calculation. We wagered they would not strike back. I wouldnt be surprised if Maduro was in on this, BTW.

We had many such operations over time and almost none of them have been considered "war"
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Pylon Cam said:

The "no new wars" president strikes again

I get what you're saying, but is it really a war if only one side is doing all the shooting?
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PaulsBunions said:

Who?mikejones! said:

PaulsBunions said:

So is bombing another country not an act of war? It seems like the new definition of "war" is "whenever Congress says we're at war".


War is when two or more nations fight each other for some period of time. Or maybe a nation fights itself.

Its not a single military operation. If Venezuela decides to attack the US Navy now off its coast, perhaps a war could begin. For now, its just a military operation, similar to the thousands weve done before that did not lead to war.

Maduro is going to face trail, probably in front of a friendly judge, and will for sure use it as a microphone


So in this case its not a "war" because Venezuela did not fight back?

Well decapitation "Strikes" prevent wars. Besides who in VZ would fight for the leader of a party that impoverished their nation with socialism then turns the remaining husk into a narco state. As communism always does, it enriches the top 2% and impoverishes the other 98%.

F* him and anybody that supports or even feels sorry for this thug.
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The message is clear if you kill Americans we will find you and arrest you or we will kill you.
 
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