Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela
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docb said:KentK93 said:docb said:
Exxon Mobil in Baytown can process that nasty crude oil all day long
Isn't there a Velero refinery that was purposed built for VZ heavy crude? Looks like this is a timely build: New Houston refinery
The article says it's in Brownsville and was built for shale oil production. Shale oil is different than that Venezuela oil. The oil from Venezuela is very viscous stuff apparently. The shale oil is a lighter crude that you would typically picture in thinking about what oil looks like.
Thanks my FIL use to explain all the oil industry to me since he was a VP for Mobil but passed in 2012.
docb said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/4/venezuelas-oil-not-alleged-drug-trafficking-caught-trumps-eye
You do realize that about 99% of the board understands this. I am not sure who you are trying to convince.
Drug Trafficking is also an important part of this.
And don't just post links.
agsalaska said:docb said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/4/venezuelas-oil-not-alleged-drug-trafficking-caught-trumps-eye
You do realize that about 99% of the board understands this. I am not sure who you are trying to convince.
Drug Trafficking is also an important part of this.
And don't just post links.
It's the same "war for oil" bull**** that we heard every day from 2003 until January 2009.
Have you actually read most of this thread? I just want to reiterate the real reason we did what we did. And it's not necessarily because we want the oil, it's more to do with keeping Russia and China out. The narco part is to legitimize it all. You're welcome.
agsalaska said:docb said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/4/venezuelas-oil-not-alleged-drug-trafficking-caught-trumps-eye
You do realize that about 99% of the board understands this. I am not sure who you are trying to convince.
Drug Trafficking is also an important part of this.
And don't just post links.
Both are very important because taking down Maduro will help push others to do what the USA wants. The oil gives VZ a chance to get back to normal. The USA having a large hand controlling this oil gives Trump leverage on Russia, China, & Iran. The USA also denies China, Russia, & Iran a foothold in the Americas. Now Cuba is going to have to make changes too.
Concept of a plan. Article on the plan so far.
Spaceball 1 said:
Then ask Congress to declare War! As a conservative we can't/shouldnt choose which parts of the Constitution we care about.
You should google "War Powers Resolution of 1973" and do some light reading.
wildmen09 said:Spaceball 1 said:
It's 100% wrong. Unless Congress declared War Trump had no right.
I've been a loyal and proud Trump supporter but I'm completely opposed to this action.
Well intentioned or not we can't openly depose other countries leaders, or at least we shouldn't.
You can have the opinion that "we shouldn't have done this" but you are factually incorrect.
The president can, and should, invade a country for a period of up to 60 days at which time he must notify congress. By day 90, he must withdraw forces if not approved.
In this instance, he used the terrorist designation and the warrants to arrest a fugitive.
Whether you agree or disagree of those facts 1) 60 days, 2) terrorist 3) fugitive and 4) the right to self defense when conducting law enforcement duties, you are sadly misinformed.
If you also think this is the first time the Feds have arrested a terrorist alongside the military, you are also wrong.
Just because this wasn't the Middle East doesn't mean it's legally any different.
Mostly correct.
President must notify Congress within 48 hours and has 60 days to deploy troops with a 30 day withdrawal window if Congress does not approve further action.
A declaration of war is not necessary by Congress for that further action either.
KentK93 said:docb said:
Exxon Mobil in Baytown can process that nasty crude oil all day long
Isn't there a Velero refinery that was purposed built for VZ heavy crude? Looks like this is a timely build: New Houston refinery
The proposed Element fuel refinery will be designed for Texas fracked shale oil crudes, not heavy oil crude. There are several refineries in the Gulf that can handle heavy crudes - some were revamped to handle lighter U.S. crudes, but could probably be switched back to heavier blends if the crudes are cheap enough.
It's the Monroe Doctrine.
The oil and resources are just a bonus.
Keep China, Russia, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah out of our hemisphere. BRIC is not in the US interest.
The oil and resources are just a bonus.
Keep China, Russia, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah out of our hemisphere. BRIC is not in the US interest.
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Rossticus said:How the U.S. Deleted China From South America.
— Ken Cao-The China Crash Chronicle (@Ken_LoveTW) January 4, 2026
China is furious.
Maduro is gone.
And the media completely missed what actually happened.
This wasn’t about “international law” or “sovereignty.”
It was real power, applied in real time.
In this video, I break down how the U.S.… pic.twitter.com/wWVCbiqyyo
China is going to have to prove they are an actual violent force if they want to be taken seriously as an emerging world power.
Im not aware of a single such power thats ever existed that did it through soft power and projection alone. At some point, they need to show their capability as a warning to the world
Maduro's Dancing Was The Final Straw For Donald Trump
https://www.dailywire.com/news/maduros-dancing-was-the-final-straw-for-donald-trump
ah ha! She was having trouble sleeping.
BREAKING; Venezuela's new president now says she wants to work WITH the U.S. pic.twitter.com/HJZevXtScx
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 5, 2026
Crazy before and after of Hugo Chavez’s mausoleum that was bombed by our military whilst they were also grabbing Maduro. That's a lot of damage... 👀
— Mrgunsngear (@Mrgunsngear) January 4, 2026
The “4F” is short for 4 February which was the date of his first coup attempt. #Venezuela #caracas #FAFO #HugoChavez… pic.twitter.com/YWhhVN444W
Hadn't seen a picture yet. Guess they can spread his ashes
The reason this all matters?
— Adam Milstein (@AdamMilstein) January 4, 2026
The U.S. allegedly struck a facility in or near the port city of Maracaibo linked to the assembly of Iranian drones.
Hizbullah was responsible for setting up domestic assembly for Iranian-designed drones such as the ANSU-100 at Maracaibo.… pic.twitter.com/AR3h83Cwt4
KentK93 said:
Cuba is now on the clock:
https://pjmedia.com/sarah-anderson/2026/01/04/cuba-in-a-panic-n4947895
They "demand" the release of Maduro and his wife. I guess he does not realize Cuba does not get to demand anything. No different than any other popcorn fart of a country.
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The Pascagoula refinery was modified not too long ago to start taking the heavy stuff. They have some room to grow also.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chevrons-refinery-unloading-first-venezuelan-185510209.html
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Venezuela claims at least 90 military members were killed or wounded in Delta Force’s operation to capture Nicolás Maduro.
— David Hookstead (@dhookstead) January 3, 2026
Not a single civilian was killed.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do Special Operations 🇺🇸
Recent comments made by President Donald J. Trump dismissing Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado as the person to replace Nicolás Maduro, stating that she doesn’t have the “support or respect” needed to become the President of Venezuela, stemmed from her recent… pic.twitter.com/4RYS2p48f9
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) January 5, 2026
Lolololololololololololololol. This must be a throwback trump v1 reporting
Who?mikejones! said:Crazy before and after of Hugo Chavez’s mausoleum that was bombed by our military whilst they were also grabbing Maduro. That's a lot of damage... 👀
— Mrgunsngear (@Mrgunsngear) January 4, 2026
The “4F” is short for 4 February which was the date of his first coup attempt. #Venezuela #caracas #FAFO #HugoChavez… pic.twitter.com/YWhhVN444W
Hadn't seen a picture yet. Guess they can spread his ashes
Appears that, at this point, is previously accomplished
docb said:fullback44 said:KentK93 said:
Excellent information in this threadThe Venezuela plot thickens:
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) January 4, 2026
While Venezuela holds 303 BILLION barrels of oil reserves, much of this is HEAVY crude oil.
Texas and Louisiana also *happen* to have 6 of the LARGEST HEAVY crude oil refineries in the world.
What does this mean? Let us explain.
(a thread) pic.twitter.com/klfm4Lv2sy
good info.
From what I can remember, The US and Houston specifically used to take in a lot of the heavy Venezuelan crude, the Lyondell refinery on HW 225 in Houston was set up to take all that heavy crude oil. The refinery was sold and I'm not sure if it is even running these days. We can run heavy crude from down there no doubt, it would be great to mix with lighter condensate from the Eagleford most likely
That Lyondell refinery shut down about a year ago
That's what I thought.. I used to work for Lyondell at the petrochemical plants in Channelview and most of our feedstocks for our ethylene crackers came from that refinery. Crazy to see a refinery that big just shut down.
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Don't know if this was brought up or not but it is indeed worth questioning.
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Why did they have official business with Maduro? https://t.co/K6gesZ7vto pic.twitter.com/3jhT8FYYsY
fullback44 said:docb said:fullback44 said:KentK93 said:
Excellent information in this threadThe Venezuela plot thickens:
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) January 4, 2026
While Venezuela holds 303 BILLION barrels of oil reserves, much of this is HEAVY crude oil.
Texas and Louisiana also *happen* to have 6 of the LARGEST HEAVY crude oil refineries in the world.
What does this mean? Let us explain.
(a thread) pic.twitter.com/klfm4Lv2sy
good info.
From what I can remember, The US and Houston specifically used to take in a lot of the heavy Venezuelan crude, the Lyondell refinery on HW 225 in Houston was set up to take all that heavy crude oil. The refinery was sold and I'm not sure if it is even running these days. We can run heavy crude from down there no doubt, it would be great to mix with lighter condensate from the Eagleford most likely
That Lyondell refinery shut down about a year ago
That's what I thought.. I used to work for Lyondell at the petrochemical plants in Channelview and most of our feedstocks for our ethylene crackers came from that refinery. Crazy to see a refinery that big just shut down.
That place was one of the sketchiest plants I ever worked in. Seemed like every time I was there, they were having some kind of upset or fire in one unit or another. They had a lot of systems that were grandfathered under Clean Air Act. If they wanted to make major upgrades or modifications to operate better, they would have had to make very expensive upgrades to their emissions controls or buy a crap ton of emissions credits to continue operating. Probably for the best they shut down when they did before something catastrophic went down there.
Commies
It's going to be about elections, I bet. Democrats are part of the worst anti-freedom alliance in the world. It's why they're so pissed.
'If I was a praying man, I'd pray for Nicolas Maduro'
— RT (@RT_com) January 4, 2026
Roger Waters says '99% of people in the world deplore' US actions against Venezuela
'Stunned by this savage act by the EMPIRE of the United States' pic.twitter.com/7IvOrICafv
pacecar02 said:'If I was a praying man, I'd pray for Nicolas Maduro'
— RT (@RT_com) January 4, 2026
Roger Waters says '99% of people in the world deplore' US actions against Venezuela
'Stunned by this savage act by the EMPIRE of the United States' pic.twitter.com/7IvOrICafv
Commies gon' commie.
Venezuela starts shutting down oil wells as storage capacity hits limits, out of diluent, embargo remains.
I saw on X this am that something like 12 ships had left port near Caracas though finally, not sure though. More at the link. Trump wants 'full access' and I am not sure what Delcy is offering.
A very Kamala word-salad like statement:
Quote:
Turning the tap on Venezuela news all the way open, now this comes out: The Venezuelan government-controlled oil extraction organization, Petrleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) is having to cut oil production. Why? Because they are running out of storage space, and their exports have been cut off by the Trump administration and the War Department.Quote:
Venezuelan state-run oil company PDVSA has begun cutting crude production because it is running out of storage capacity due to an ongoing US oil blockade that has reduced exports to zero, piling more pressure on an interim government trying to hang onto power in the face of US threats of more military action.
Caracas is in political crisis under an interim government after President Nicolas Maduro and his wife were captured by US forces on Saturday. The OPEC country's oil exports, its main source of revenue, are now at a standstill following a US blockade on tankers under sanctions and the seizure of two oil cargoes last month.
Chevron's cargoes bound for the US had been an exception, continuing to move, because the company has a license from Washington for its operations. But even those have stopped since Thursday, shipping data showed on Sunday.
I saw on X this am that something like 12 ships had left port near Caracas though finally, not sure though. More at the link. Trump wants 'full access' and I am not sure what Delcy is offering.
Reporter: What do you need from Delcy Rodriguez?
— Polymarket Intel (@PolymarketIntel) January 5, 2026
Trump: Total access. We need access to the oil and other things… pic.twitter.com/xdHOyunzKl
A very Kamala word-salad like statement:
New statement from acting Venezuelan President Delcy Rodríguez pic.twitter.com/LSdPfmR87T
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) January 5, 2026
We've got a jail break on our hands I guess.
Bold strategy, let's see how that works out for them. Apparently 16 tankers likely breaking for the Panama Canal from what I have seen, could be wrong. I have read previously we only have 2 of the specialized coast guard boarding teams, not that Marines etc. couldn't decide to handle some of this.
This was the tactic that the US had to be concerned about - a mass exodus at the same time to overwhelm US naval and Coast Guard assets. https://t.co/q8n04ozqLi
— Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴☠️ (@mercoglianos) January 5, 2026
They only have 14 sanctioned vlcc. Venezuela can no longer export oil outside of citgo+ chevron. Venezuela was down to 500k bpd in December vs 1m before. I imagine that number is now close to 300k bpd without these ships. Alot of this oil is owned by a Chinese jv. https://t.co/v78UT3YXzM
— Ali (@MerruX) January 5, 2026
Bold strategy, let's see how that works out for them. Apparently 16 tankers likely breaking for the Panama Canal from what I have seen, could be wrong. I have read previously we only have 2 of the specialized coast guard boarding teams, not that Marines etc. couldn't decide to handle some of this.
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