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He lays out a simple plan of giving the current remaining leadership an opportunity to comply with our demands. Until then, oil embargo will continue.
YouBet said:Quote:
He lays out a simple plan of giving the current remaining leadership an opportunity to comply with our demands. Until then, oil embargo will continue.
Was wondering how they were going to handle this with Trump looking past Machado and saying Maduros communist VP would run things for the time being. Seems like an own goal by Trump especially since she denounced him after getting off the phone with him and blessing her. But hopefully she's on a very short leash.
Line Ate Member said:Spaceball 1 said:
It's 100% wrong. Unless Congress declared War Trump had no right.
I've been a loyal and proud Trump supporter but I'm completely opposed to this action.
Well intentioned or not we can't openly depose other countries leaders, or at least we shouldn't.
I get what you are saying, but I think you are missing a lot of the other pieces of this story that you are willfully glossing over or are just ignoring to get this point across.
1) He was indicted for crimes against the United States as a leader of a cartel. In 2020. This means that this was presented in front of a panel and they thought it rose to the letter of law to be tried.
2) He is not the elected leader of his country. His country voted him out. He said no and the. Started jailing opposition.
3) He was given opportunities to turn himself in. Instead of doing that, he metaphorically went up to a country with the firepower of the entire 1985 Bears defense as a junior high level Quarterback and pissed in their Gatorade. And then bragged about doing that to the media and dared them to do something to him.
4) Trump labeled several cartels as terrorist organizations, which then fall under (you can correct me if I am wrong here) the war on terror that was sanctioned by Congress. I would also look up topics like the war on drugs that was popular in the 90s that I don't believe has been removed from the congressional books.
We do this all the time all over the world. We locate people that have done bad things and bring them back to the US to stand trial for the acts they committed against people of our country or to our country itself. In this case, we had an indicted individual (not elected leader of his country) that dared us to come and get him.
We did. He was labeled as a terrorist and was apprehended as such.
The fact we had to use the firepower we did was due to the defenses that he had surrounded himself with. It did not matter that he thought of himself as the leader of Venezuela. The US did not recognize him as such and saw him as another terrorist that needed to be dealt with.
The big difference here was that he was controlling the country's defense network and due to that, we had to disable that and anyone who thought they would need to protect him. The head of our executive branch said it was time to bring this casserole in and he was brought in.
Sometimes you have to show that you are willing to use the rod so that you don't have to continue to do so. If you are doing business with cartels, you are on notice.
If this one causes you concern, buckle up. If he has already acted in Venezuela, my guess he is already making plans for Cuba, Mexico and Columbia.
HoustonAg2106 said:richardag said:aTmAg said:richardag said:HoustonAg2106 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:TAMUallen said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:The Unforgiven said:
What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?
Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?
Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
Maduro's regime is still in charge. How is this over yet?
Really? And what is their response? I'm waiting for you to relay that bit of important information to us.
It's still pretty early to know where this goes.
Moving goalposts now. Ok….
And you know there will be ZERO credit if this continues to go ideally
Of course. Liberals…..well, they liberal.
This is so lazy, it's like calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. I have stated on here multiple times I voted for Trump all 3 times. He literally ran on not doing what he is doing. Doesn't make me a liberal
What is he doing? Because this isn't a war.
If anything close to this was done to the US it would obviously be an act of war…what world do you guys live in?
And guess what, if a foreign nation came in and took Trump prisoner over night there would probably be a lot of people in the street cheering about it too…does that make it okay???
False equivalency.
President Trump
- was elected Maduro was not
- does not deal drugs running a cartel Ppresident Trump does not
Kidnapping a head of state is an act of war. Whether or not they were elected doesn't mean anything. If France abducted the king of England. That would be an act of war. Hell, Jefferson considered merely chopping down a flag staff at the US consulate a declaration of war.
The argument should be how this act of war was JUSTIFIED. Not pretend that it wasn't an act of war.
Maduro was not kidnapped, he was arrested.
By what jurisdiction?
docb said:DannyDuberstein said:
docb is fine with seeing our security compromised across the gulf as long as we make nice with the russkies and chinamen
Just the opposite. Russia and China are not our friends.
In January, just before they left office, the Biden and Kamala offered $25 million for information leading to Maduro’s arrest. Now Kamala is outraged Maduro was arrested. These people are so dumb it hurts my brain. https://t.co/3iUdiEhDYc pic.twitter.com/hRhyiQB0GT
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 4, 2026
LMCane said:Spaceball 1 said:
It's 100% wrong. Unless Congress declared War Trump had no right.
I've been a loyal and proud Trump supporter but I'm completely opposed to this action.
Well intentioned or not we can't openly depose other countries leaders, or at least we shouldn't.
both morally and legally you are simply ignorant.
of course the United States is able to do so,
and has done so THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES dating back to the Barbary Wars!
try using Google or reading a book!
HoustonAg2106 said:richardag said:aTmAg said:richardag said:HoustonAg2106 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:TAMUallen said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:The Unforgiven said:
What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?
Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?
Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
Maduro's regime is still in charge. How is this over yet?
Really? And what is their response? I'm waiting for you to relay that bit of important information to us.
It's still pretty early to know where this goes.
Moving goalposts now. Ok….
And you know there will be ZERO credit if this continues to go ideally
Of course. Liberals…..well, they liberal.
This is so lazy, it's like calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. I have stated on here multiple times I voted for Trump all 3 times. He literally ran on not doing what he is doing. Doesn't make me a liberal
What is he doing? Because this isn't a war.
If anything close to this was done to the US it would obviously be an act of war…what world do you guys live in?
And guess what, if a foreign nation came in and took Trump prisoner over night there would probably be a lot of people in the street cheering about it too…does that make it okay???
False equivalency.
President Trump
- was elected Maduro was not
- does not deal drugs running a cartel Ppresident Trump does not
Kidnapping a head of state is an act of war. Whether or not they were elected doesn't mean anything. If France abducted the king of England. That would be an act of war. Hell, Jefferson considered merely chopping down a flag staff at the US consulate a declaration of war.
The argument should be how this act of war was JUSTIFIED. Not pretend that it wasn't an act of war.
Maduro was not kidnapped, he was arrested.
By what jurisdiction?
aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:richardag said:aTmAg said:richardag said:HoustonAg2106 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:TAMUallen said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:The Unforgiven said:
What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?
Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?
Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
Maduro's regime is still in charge. How is this over yet?
Really? And what is their response? I'm waiting for you to relay that bit of important information to us.
It's still pretty early to know where this goes.
Moving goalposts now. Ok….
And you know there will be ZERO credit if this continues to go ideally
Of course. Liberals…..well, they liberal.
This is so lazy, it's like calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. I have stated on here multiple times I voted for Trump all 3 times. He literally ran on not doing what he is doing. Doesn't make me a liberal
What is he doing? Because this isn't a war.
If anything close to this was done to the US it would obviously be an act of war…what world do you guys live in?
And guess what, if a foreign nation came in and took Trump prisoner over night there would probably be a lot of people in the street cheering about it too…does that make it okay???
False equivalency.
President Trump
- was elected Maduro was not
- does not deal drugs running a cartel Ppresident Trump does not
Kidnapping a head of state is an act of war. Whether or not they were elected doesn't mean anything. If France abducted the king of England. That would be an act of war. Hell, Jefferson considered merely chopping down a flag staff at the US consulate a declaration of war.
The argument should be how this act of war was JUSTIFIED. Not pretend that it wasn't an act of war.
Maduro was not kidnapped, he was arrested.
By what jurisdiction?
So did you agree with Biden and Kamala offering $25 million for information leading to Maduro's arrest?
Queso1 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:richardag said:aTmAg said:richardag said:HoustonAg2106 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:TAMUallen said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:The Unforgiven said:
What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?
Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?
Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
Maduro's regime is still in charge. How is this over yet?
Really? And what is their response? I'm waiting for you to relay that bit of important information to us.
It's still pretty early to know where this goes.
Moving goalposts now. Ok….
And you know there will be ZERO credit if this continues to go ideally
Of course. Liberals…..well, they liberal.
This is so lazy, it's like calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. I have stated on here multiple times I voted for Trump all 3 times. He literally ran on not doing what he is doing. Doesn't make me a liberal
What is he doing? Because this isn't a war.
If anything close to this was done to the US it would obviously be an act of war…what world do you guys live in?
And guess what, if a foreign nation came in and took Trump prisoner over night there would probably be a lot of people in the street cheering about it too…does that make it okay???
False equivalency.
President Trump
- was elected Maduro was not
- does not deal drugs running a cartel Ppresident Trump does not
Kidnapping a head of state is an act of war. Whether or not they were elected doesn't mean anything. If France abducted the king of England. That would be an act of war. Hell, Jefferson considered merely chopping down a flag staff at the US consulate a declaration of war.
The argument should be how this act of war was JUSTIFIED. Not pretend that it wasn't an act of war.
Maduro was not kidnapped, he was arrested.
By what jurisdiction?
So did you agree with Biden and Kamala offering $25 million for information leading to Maduro's arrest?
I haven't looked into the legality of this arrest. However, I think it's important for people to understand that it's entirely possible to despise everything about the left and the uniparty and to also oppose unconstitutional acts
With the exception of the mouthbreathers, voting for Trump probably makes one less likely to support anything Trump has done the last few weeks.
flyrancher said:
Liberal understanding of the meaning of the word 'war' is very subjective and changing because they are so seldomly personally involved in one. The liberal world is all about spin.
Queso1 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:richardag said:aTmAg said:richardag said:HoustonAg2106 said:aginlakeway said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:TAMUallen said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:nu awlins ag said:HoustonAg2106 said:The Unforgiven said:
What is a war? Do you know what that is? Is this the 3 Hour War?
This isn't over yet, Why do you think this is over?
Are you old enough to remember the mission accomplished banner W put up on an aircraft carrier?
Hint: The mission was decades away from being over
Please stop with your crap. It's really embarrassing at this point.
Maduro's regime is still in charge. How is this over yet?
Really? And what is their response? I'm waiting for you to relay that bit of important information to us.
It's still pretty early to know where this goes.
Moving goalposts now. Ok….
And you know there will be ZERO credit if this continues to go ideally
Of course. Liberals…..well, they liberal.
This is so lazy, it's like calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. I have stated on here multiple times I voted for Trump all 3 times. He literally ran on not doing what he is doing. Doesn't make me a liberal
What is he doing? Because this isn't a war.
If anything close to this was done to the US it would obviously be an act of war…what world do you guys live in?
And guess what, if a foreign nation came in and took Trump prisoner over night there would probably be a lot of people in the street cheering about it too…does that make it okay???
False equivalency.
President Trump
- was elected Maduro was not
- does not deal drugs running a cartel Ppresident Trump does not
Kidnapping a head of state is an act of war. Whether or not they were elected doesn't mean anything. If France abducted the king of England. That would be an act of war. Hell, Jefferson considered merely chopping down a flag staff at the US consulate a declaration of war.
The argument should be how this act of war was JUSTIFIED. Not pretend that it wasn't an act of war.
Maduro was not kidnapped, he was arrested.
By what jurisdiction?
So did you agree with Biden and Kamala offering $25 million for information leading to Maduro's arrest?
I haven't looked into the legality of this arrest. However, I think it's important for people to understand that it's entirely possible to despise everything about the left and the uniparty and to also oppose unconstitutional acts
With the exception of the mouthbreathers, voting for Trump probably makes one less likely to support anything Trump has done the last few weeks.
nortex97 said:Owlagdad said:
Liberals hate for Trump, hate for not being in control is bigger than the belief we need to take out those who destroy our country with drugs.
It's all they know.Here's the grifter known as Chris Van Hollen in 2024 declaring that Maduro absolutely lost the election, is not legitimate, and has to be removed from power. https://t.co/p8Ayyq5yDx pic.twitter.com/k4rwJCjyFt
— MAZE (@mazemoore) January 4, 2026
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flown-the-coop said:YouBet said:Quote:
He lays out a simple plan of giving the current remaining leadership an opportunity to comply with our demands. Until then, oil embargo will continue.
Was wondering how they were going to handle this with Trump looking past Machado and saying Maduros communist VP would run things for the time being. Seems like an own goal by Trump especially since she denounced him after getting off the phone with him and blessing her. But hopefully she's on a very short leash.
First, the prevalence of the term "own goal" over the past 30 days on here is truly impressive. Not a dig at you, but it's a term with poor meaning and even poorer understanding. Old man rant over.
Pivoting to the person who under their system of government is to run the country in the absence of the "president" quiets the cackling about "regime change". For now, we arrested someone which left the head office in Caracas open and the next in line should fill it.
Now… he and Rubio have also made it clear that if they do not comply with our "demands", then it's next in line. That's where it gets tricky for all.
This gives the duly elected P and VP to get their coalitions solidified, lets things calm down presumably amongst the masses, and lessens the chance the new gov is immediately overthrown replaced by another military dictator.
Machado may have wide support amongst the populace, but if the inner workings of the government and military are not on board, it would go bad quickly.
In a telephone interview this morning with The Atlantic, President Donald J. Trump issued a threat against Venezuela’s Interim President Delcy Rodríguez, saying that, “if she doesn’t do what’s right, she is going to pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro,” adding that… pic.twitter.com/2xR8kE38ey
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) January 4, 2026
TrumpsBarber said:flown-the-coop said:YouBet said:Quote:
He lays out a simple plan of giving the current remaining leadership an opportunity to comply with our demands. Until then, oil embargo will continue.
Was wondering how they were going to handle this with Trump looking past Machado and saying Maduros communist VP would run things for the time being. Seems like an own goal by Trump especially since she denounced him after getting off the phone with him and blessing her. But hopefully she's on a very short leash.
First, the prevalence of the term "own goal" over the past 30 days on here is truly impressive. Not a dig at you, but it's a term with poor meaning and even poorer understanding. Old man rant over.
Pivoting to the person who under their system of government is to run the country in the absence of the "president" quiets the cackling about "regime change". For now, we arrested someone which left the head office in Caracas open and the next in line should fill it.
Now… he and Rubio have also made it clear that if they do not comply with our "demands", then it's next in line. That's where it gets tricky for all.
This gives the duly elected P and VP to get their coalitions solidified, lets things calm down presumably amongst the masses, and lessens the chance the new gov is immediately overthrown replaced by another military dictator.
Machado may have wide support amongst the populace, but if the inner workings of the government and military are not on board, it would go bad quickly.
Exactly. Venezuela is on the brink of a bloody civil war and Trump is playing 3D chess to allow time for a peaceful transition. That Chavista VP doesn't hold enough cards to stay in power indefinitely, but she has control over the military. If Trump encourages the Machado side too soon then the lid will get blown off.
I also find it interesting that some of these "3 time Trump voters" are the same ones who continued to say he would lose, he should get out of the race, and they've attacked him on every single Democrat talking point.flown-the-coop said:
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And those tactics include flooding even online message boards with false talking points they know the TDS inflicted "3-time Trump voter" will lap up as well.
https://t.co/q47ZwBgyoz https://t.co/WSCdzraOpU pic.twitter.com/fuxa7EpiWW
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) January 4, 2026
flown-the-coop said:
Hakeem now up with Welker talking about how when they get back tomorrow there needs to be legislation
He also says how is DJT going to run Venezuela with the terrible job he has done in 1 year back leading the USA. Goes straight to healthcare and literally says "If Trump cannot even get healthcare fixed in the United States, how will he fix Venezuela's".
Then goes straight into the only way to fix it is to extend Obamacare subsidies.
Says he is all in on another shutdown if their demands are not met in the next few weeks.
So Tim Kaine tells Fox News that POTUS cannot direct the military without congressional approval. And Hakeem says the affordability crisis will not be solved without Republicans submitting to Dem demands.
And Welker wraps up with Tuesday marking the 6th year anniversary and the congressional hearing to revisit the issues.
So in 2026 Dems are still going with "affordability crisis"… they created and only they can fix; a "healthcare crisis" they created and only they can fix"; on and on. Orange man bad, Dems are your savior is their ongoing mantra and they will use MSM and every available outlet to convince you of this farce.
And those tactics include flooding even online message boards with false talking points they know the TDS inflicted "3-time Trump voter" will lap up as well.
nortex97 said:
NYT source so almost certainly very fake news but it would be funny if somehow they were't just making this up.https://t.co/q47ZwBgyoz https://t.co/WSCdzraOpU pic.twitter.com/fuxa7EpiWW
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) January 4, 2026
flyrancher said:
Liberal understanding of the meaning of the word 'war' is very subjective and changing because they are so seldomly personally involved in one. The liberal world is all about spin.
.@SecRubio: "It is not easy to land a helicopter in the middle of the largest military base... kick down his door, grab him, put him in handcuffs, read him his rights, put him in a helicopter... and you're asking me why we didn't do that in five other places at the same time!?" pic.twitter.com/Pm9Jy1AKp3
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) January 4, 2026
COTTON: We don't recognize Delcy Rodriguez as the legitimate ruler of Venezuela. We didn't recognize Nicolas Maduro as the legitimate ruler.
— Kateryna Lisunova (@KaterynaLis) January 4, 2026
BASH: Right.
COTTON: For that matter, neither did the Biden administration nor the European Union.
BASH: Absolutely.
COTTON: It is a… https://t.co/og6BAXoZlA
🇻🇪🇺🇸 Rubio: We do not need Venezuela’s oil. We have plenty of oil in the United States.
— Savchenko Volodymyr (@SavchenkoReview) January 4, 2026
What we are not going to allow is for the oil industry in Venezuela to be controlled by adversaries of the United States.
You have to understand: why does China need Venezuela’s oil? Why… pic.twitter.com/OY9uJyR9ZI
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"Elite U.S. troops, including the Army's Delta Force, created an exact replica of Maduro's safe house and practiced how they would enter the strongly fortified residence," explains Reuters. "The CIA had a small team on the ground starting in August who were able to provide insight into Maduro's pattern of life that made grabbing him seamless, according to one source familiar with the matter."
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Two other sources told Reuters the intelligence agency also had an asset close to Maduro who would monitor his movements and was poised to pinpoint his exact location as the operation unfolded.
The death of Captain Juan Escalona, a longtime Chávez–Maduro loyalist and member of Maduro’s security detail, has been confirmed.
— WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧 (@WarMonitor3) January 4, 2026
annie88 said:
