Wow, that is way eerier than a kkk photo... that actually really gives me the heeby jeebies.
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Agreed totally. I don't suspect Cohle at all. The anagram was just an observation to go along with the photo.
Gotcha, thought that maybe you believed he was actually in on it.
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Have we seen anyone that could "be" that photo besides Ledoux?
Obviously I'm referring to someone not wearing a mask.
Obviously I'm referring to someone not wearing a mask.
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If that prediction was halfway correct I'd be pissed.
I do NOT want them to go super natural on this thing. I don't mind some devil worship stuff but that seems nuts. And I don't want some 20 years ago drunken pact between some frat buddies regarding their future children.
It isn't. That theory is stupid.
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And internetfan02, that's a question I've been wondering the answer to for awhile. It is quite obvious that Hart's oldest daughter has been raped. She shows an inappropriate knowledge for her age of sexual acts and she eventually turns to substance abuse. Both actions common among childhood rape victims. Who was she raped by? I really couldn't guess.
I kept thinking they maybe had them in the Tuttle School or church somewhere, but I like the grandpa idea, too.
I feel like a major bombshell will be dropped concerning at least one of the daughters. It just keeps building towards something with them beyond just rebelling and acting out. Something happened in the past that is connected or something dramatic will happen in the future with one or both of them.
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I have never wanted to see the outcome of a story, movie, show, etc. more than I do with True Detective. I didn't think I would ever reach a level of captivation with a show like I had with Breaking Bad again, but True Detective has taken the cake (in only 5 episodes!).
As has been said, Hart's older daughter has obviously been abused, and the abuse must be linked to the mysteries about the crimes. Hart keeps talking about the answer being right in front of him and he didn't see it. I agree that maybe it's his FIL. Maybe the wife is involved in some way? (When she was standing outside the daughter's door, she said something about it being just the two of them.)
It was specualted on here by someone that the past Hart is recalling to the detectives may be different than what actually happened. For example his daughter didnt actually have the toys playing out a rape scene. He just remembers it that way or is projecting signs he should have been looking for.
If she really did do those drawings and act out an orgy/rape you would think that Marty and his wife would be watching her like a hawk.
Of course he has already mentioned that his lack of attention was one of his biggest issues.
If she really did do those drawings and act out an orgy/rape you would think that Marty and his wife would be watching her like a hawk.
Of course he has already mentioned that his lack of attention was one of his biggest issues.
Was starting to think the same thing about Hart. imo Hart is more plausibly the killer than Cohle. Also, I don't think the wife is in on it, but there are too many curious facts adding up in the Hart household:
-sexually explicit drawings(two points: 1)if you compare the female face to the male's it looks like the male has no neck -- possibly wearing a mask? 2) are the woman's hands tied behind her back?):
-cult symbol drawn by daughter:
-doll arrangement:
-Marty's blasting of R. Ledoux for plausible reasons pre-interrogation and prior to Ledoux even seeing Marty's face
Couple these facts with the assumption there is a bad guy within the police force i.e. the "made in error" entries. It is possible, as Marty said: "the answer has been under [our] nose" the whole time.
Not ready to call my shot yet, but all interesting facts and I LOVE the show.
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-sexually explicit drawings(two points: 1)if you compare the female face to the male's it looks like the male has no neck -- possibly wearing a mask? 2) are the woman's hands tied behind her back?):
-cult symbol drawn by daughter:
-doll arrangement:
-Marty's blasting of R. Ledoux for plausible reasons pre-interrogation and prior to Ledoux even seeing Marty's face
Couple these facts with the assumption there is a bad guy within the police force i.e. the "made in error" entries. It is possible, as Marty said: "the answer has been under [our] nose" the whole time.
Not ready to call my shot yet, but all interesting facts and I LOVE the show.
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It was specualted on here by someone that the past Hart is recalling to the detectives may be different than what actually happened. For example his daughter didnt actually have the toys playing out a rape scene. He just remembers it that way or is projecting signs he should have been looking for.
You raise an interesting point. Obviously, Cohle and Hart are "unreliable narrators" from the POV of the detectives who are questioning them, and that's OK because we the audience are in on it.
The notion that Hart is an unreliable narrator from the POV of we the audience, either on purpose or because, as you say, his memory is shaping the past in certain ways, would introduce a much different level of complexity to the story.
We have no reason to believe that those things didn't happen. I highly doubt this is revisionist's history of the details, especially considering that these are details he likely did not bring up in the interview, but rather, an omnipotent viewing of what was taking place. The have shown multiple scenes that were likely not mentioned in the interview. It just makes no sense to lie about them.
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Gotta admit.....pretty interesting LawAg......
And I doubt Marty is the killer. His disgust towards the bunny ranch and it's use of underage women was far too emotional to be faked. His frequent mentioning of things being right under his nose read like a father that wish he had seen the signs. I think you all are expecting twists just because ever other show relies on them. I think this plays out pretty logically, without the use of unreliable narrators.
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Also, I'm sure many of you noticed this. It appears to be pretty similar to the scene that the daughter creates with her toys
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I think you all are expecting twists just because ever other show relies on them. I think this plays out pretty logically, without the use of unreliable narrators.
Yep.
that hooded horsemen photo is a mardi gras thing according to the cajuns on tigerdroppings
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You mean the KKK? That is what that picture was of.
Was it? And Horse Cult is an anagram of Rust Cohle. *****.
I posted before seeing that pic. Definitely not KKK. That's why I edited my posted
Just going off memory here, but I remember the girls having a conversation when they were on the canoe. IIRC the youngest wants to ask grandpa for help but the oldest tells her to be quite. I know I thought it was odd that we could readily hear them under the Hart/ grandpa conversation and I believe that ANYTHING is a clue in this show.
I agree the girl has been abused, the abuse is connected to the cult activity and the cult is highly connected. I was convinced that one of the girls was going to climb the tree to get the tiara and fall to her death.
I agree the girl has been abused, the abuse is connected to the cult activity and the cult is highly connected. I was convinced that one of the girls was going to climb the tree to get the tiara and fall to her death.
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I was convinced that one of the girls was going to climb the tree to get the tiara and fall to her death.
100% thought that was going to happen. As the camera panned up I was like "well here it goes" and then when it showed the youngest with the fat cheerleader I was like "Man... the oldest daughter gained a lot of weight and didn't age much."
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I was convinced that one of the girls was going to climb the tree to get the tiara and fall to her death.
SAME HERE!
Audibly said out loud, "oh man....no...." (I have three daughters so that hit home for me). Then when it cut to the car driving up with the oldest, I still had it in my brain that the teenagers were going to witness the girl falling...not that one of them WAS the girl. The shift was probably pretty obvious to everyone else, but I was still stuck hoping the girl wasn't going to die.
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IIRC the youngest wants to ask grandpa for help but the oldest tells her to be quite. I know I thought it was odd that we could readily hear them under the Hart/ grandpa conversation and I believe that ANYTHING is a clue in this show.
Damn good catch, I completely forgot about that.
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IIRC the youngest wants to ask grandpa for help but the oldest tells her to be quite. I know I thought it was odd that we could readily hear them under the Hart/ grandpa conversation and I believe that ANYTHING is a clue in this show
It's this kind of stuff that is going to make me rewatch this show very soon after it's over. I know they're not trying to trick us, but I think there are things we'll notice on the second run through that will stand out as "AHA's".
By my count I'll have 4 weeks between the final ep of this and the beginning of GOfT. Should be just enough time to knock it out....March Madness games not withstanding.
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IIRC the youngest wants to ask grandpa for help but the oldest tells her to be quite. I know I thought it was odd that we could readily hear them under the Hart/ grandpa conversation and I believe that ANYTHING is a clue in this show
Just watched that scene again. It was the youngest that says:
Youngest: It's not working
Oldest: Just ask grandpa
Youngest: No
But then it's the youngest again that says (after just saying no)"Grandpa how do I know...." blah blah blah.
So I don't think that scene was meant to point to something.
The grandfather DOES say: "So you don't think things are getting worse? I've seen kids today. All in black, wearing make up. S*** on their faces....everything is sex." So some nice foreshadowing there.
I think that whole scene at the inlaws (after watching it again) was just to show the tension between the family, the MIL and FIL both think Hart's an a-hole. Hart acts like an a-hole to FIL... I think it was just some development of the character (this is also the ep with Hart sleeping with hot chick and slamming Cohle against the lockers). So as a theme during that hour, it's showing him not to be the "good/normal guy" that is hinted at in the first episode.
I don't think the grandfather had anything to do with it.
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Then when it cut to the car driving up with the oldest, I still had it in my brain that the teenagers were going to witness the girl falling...not that one of them WAS the girl. The shift was probably pretty obvious to everyone else, but I was still stuck hoping the girl wasn't going to die.
This. I thought at first the car was going to run them over, similar to Rustin's daughter. Then when she got out I thought she was going to do something. Then I finally realized what happened. Seems like I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop when it comes to the daughters.
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It's this kind of stuff that is going to make me rewatch this show very soon after it's over. I know they're not trying to trick us, but I think there are things we'll notice on the second run through that will stand out as "AHA's".
Almost like you want to watch and take notes with a ledger. I mean you never know what the thing's gonna be do you? That little detail somewhere way down the line---makes you say "AHH"---breaks the case.
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how many points are on that rack on Dora Lange's head in the original crime seen?
when Marty and Cohle are about to walk up to Ladoux's trailer, Cohle asks Marty if he's ever done any hunting, and Marty says he killed a 10 point the year before last.
so Marty is the killer. end of thread.
when Marty and Cohle are about to walk up to Ladoux's trailer, Cohle asks Marty if he's ever done any hunting, and Marty says he killed a 10 point the year before last.
so Marty is the killer. end of thread.
Good point. We also know that Marty has an oversized redfish mount which would indicate he likes trophys and would likely have a 10 point on his wall also. Unless the antlers were better on an all together different kinda trophy!
boom. done.
lets skip to next season.
lets skip to next season.
The thing that I can't get past with regards to Marty being the killer...
If he was the killer, wouldn't he let Cohle die during the Amelia/Beaumont heist? Seems he would want Cohle to chill on the hunt and that would've been a "clean" way for Marty to let Cohle exit stage left. Instead, he was a nervous Nelly in the parking lot of the hangout - even going so far as going in and trying to sneak past the backroom bouncer. Then he was quick to pick-up Cohle and Ginger for their getaway.
Not sure what his incentive would be to have his partner's back in that "off the books" moment.
If he was the killer, wouldn't he let Cohle die during the Amelia/Beaumont heist? Seems he would want Cohle to chill on the hunt and that would've been a "clean" way for Marty to let Cohle exit stage left. Instead, he was a nervous Nelly in the parking lot of the hangout - even going so far as going in and trying to sneak past the backroom bouncer. Then he was quick to pick-up Cohle and Ginger for their getaway.
Not sure what his incentive would be to have his partner's back in that "off the books" moment.
Somebody say rack?
10 point right there
This show is going to be like Fight Club, in that after it's over and you watch it again, you'll see tons of clues staring at you right in the face... but you only get them after you know how it plays out.
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neither cop is the freaking killer. That would be so dumb and they aren't going for dumb. Can we stop discussing that?
Ok, and in regards to the post above, no movie made me feel more of that than The Prestige.
Ok, and in regards to the post above, no movie made me feel more of that than The Prestige.
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neither cop is the freaking killer. That would be so dumb and they aren't going for dumb. Can we stop discussing that?
Ok, and in regards to the post above, no movie made me feel more of that than The Prestige.
Agree on The Prestige.
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