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The Calvary didn't show up until after nightfall. It was by no means fast. Hart made the call, tied up Flowers, and ran to help Cohle. They then bled out for a while. Yea, it happened within a couple minutes on screen, but the change to darkness is pretty blatantly obvious.
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The two best episodes were the one in which Rust goes undercover with the biker gang and the one in which they confront LeDoux.
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underwhelming finale to say the least
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Not saying I believe it, Mazzag, but lawnmower man'shalf-sister was a largish unattractive woman who liked "flowers" all over her....


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The two best episodes were the one in which Rust goes undercover with the biker gang and the one in which they confront LeDoux.


Out of total curiosity, because I find the polarizing effect of this finale fascinating, do you say that because those episodes relied heavily on action or did you just think they were done better than the others?
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what did the broken tail light mean???????????????
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I thought the episode with the biker gang is the one thats out of character with the rest of the series.
Thunder18
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speaking of the biker gang episode...what the hell did they do with Ginger? He was taped up in the back of Cohle's truck last I saw..then they went and killed Ledoux/rescued the girl, but I can't recall if they ever said what they did with kidnapped Ginger
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Rust said he taped him up and left him in a ditch.
TelcoAg
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It took me a bit to come to this realization.

The story, "The King in Yellow", was written with pieces of the story intentionally missing. It's purpose was to have enough details to leave the reader satisfied that the play actually happened, but it's missing enough information that you drive yourself crazy trying to piece together every answer. Which is what many are doing now.

Dear god. This show was perfect.

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Thunder18
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Rust said he taped him up and left him in a ditch.



ahh, missed that! Thanks!
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It was a great show but the finale lacked in a couple areas IMO. Hard to believe Errol was the main guy in all this and that there isn't some very powerful people involved in this entire ring. Especially after finding the video tape in the reverend tuttles house, the reverend Tuttle getting Rust suspended and Rust telling Hart that he believes the reverend Tuttle was murdered by others who are involved in this ring. Hard to picture Errol being the one who decided to off Tuttle. Wish it would have taken it a little further in this aspect.

If Errol was the furthest they wanted to explore in all this then I at least wish he was a major character in more than 1 episode.

The whole Marty's daughter thing was pretty lame too now looking back at it. There's other ways to show she was being neglected than by making it seem she was somehow involved with the case.


Loved the show though. Sad it's over.
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At least we can all agree Alexandra Daddario was the highlight of the show.
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Joking aside,

Watching week to week, this was definitely the best 8 episode stretch of any TV show I've ever seen. And when you consider those 8 episodes were this ENTIRE story's arc, it's truly remarkable. Can't wait to see what A-listers show up for next season.

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TelcoAg
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It was a great show but the finale lacked in a couple areas IMO. Hard to believe Errol was the main guy in all this and that there isn't some very powerful people involved in this entire ring. Especially after finding the video tape in the reverend tuttles house, the reverend Tuttle getting Rust suspended and Rust telling Hart that he believes the reverend Tuttle was murdered by others who are involved in this ring. Hard to picture Errol being the one who decided to off Tuttle. Wish it would have taken it a little further in this aspect.

If Errol was the furthest they wanted to explore in all this then I at least wish he was a major character in more than 1 episode.

The whole Marty's daughter thing was pretty lame too now looking back at it. There's other ways to show she was being neglected than by making it seem she was somehow involved with the case.


Loved the show though. Sad it's over.


Read "The King in Yellow", or at least a synopsis of it. All of the thoughts you're having now line up. External forces controlling things, not knowing the true place of Errol, the blurred stories. Not kidding, it was a damn good cosmic horror.
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My thoughts on Errol are that being a Tuttle decendant, he probably knew of the rituals his rich powerful family was involved in, but was never going to be able to be part of it because he was a b@stard child. He started his own Carcosa to mirror the original, and had low life's like Ledoux in on it. The Tuttle's found their victims in the schools they ran, as did Errol who happened to have been one of the students.

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I would love some sort of chart/timeline/geneology diagram for the show. Anyone know if hbo go has something like they had for GOT?
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It's funny. I never thought the daughter story line had anything to do with the whole yellow king/carcosa deal. And I figured it was the lawnmower from the first time I saw him in the series.
Wonder if that's cuz I watched almost all of the episodes back to back and didn't go searching for questions/conspiracies on the internet. I in a way just bought what I saw, which is what the director was going for.
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Synopsis of "The King in Yellow". If you're TL;DR, read the last paragraph of the first quote, and if you saw the show - read the excerpt in the 2nd quote. You get a hint as to who Errol is.

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Imagine a piece of writing that reveals to your mind’s eye hidden truths that are so overwhelming that the reader is driven to despair and insanity. We only have a few hints to the contents of this work since those who have been fully exposed to it are never again in any condition to share with us the terrible knowledge that they have gleaned from the experience. This book is so dangerous that all copies of the French translation were seized by the French Authorities and destroyed. Would you yourself attempt to read it if given the opportunity? For you see, that which is forbidden to us also creates the greatest temptation. Many have done just so and all of them have paid a high price for the privilege.

And in this case, the high price of gaining this knowledge is our doom.



And no, this isn’t the Necronomicon. The Necronomicon only documents events and imparts knowledge. The events we can choose to either believe or not to believe. The knowledge imparted is ours to use or not to use. The Necronomicon allows us the freedom of choice. If we are doomed through the Necronomicon then it is because we chose that doom of our own free will. The work I’m speaking of doesn’t allow us that freedom.

The book I’m speaking of is neither a grimoire, nor a political treatise, or even a religious tract.

This is something that is both innocuous and thus so much more insidious.

It is simply a two act play.

Its name is THE KING IN YELLOW.



The King in Yellow is a collection of short stories by Robert W. Chambers that was first published back in 1895. The first 4 stories of this collection deal with the titular King in Yellow, a fictitious play that supposedly drive mad those who read it’s 2nd Act. Not only is King in Yellow the title, he is also a mysterious figure that appears in this play. The three interconnecting themes in these first four stories are the play itself, the King and the so called Yellow Sign that seems to represent both the King and those loyal to him. These stories hinge upon the conceit that this play is real and that a few copies are still in existence and that seemingly supernatural forces, some how related tot he play, are at large in our world.

These four stories are…

The Repairer of Reputations,

The Mask,

In the Court of the Dragon,

and

The Yellow sign.

What Chamber’s brilliantly, which so impressed H. P. Lovecraft, was to give the reader just barely enough information to make the concept of the play a believable one while holding back such important tidbits such what is the exact plot of play and what exactly about it makes the reader go mad. All his gives us is an occasional mall excerpt or quote from the titular play.


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“Cassilda’s Song: Act 1, Scene 2



Camilla: You, sir, should unmask.

Stranger: Indeed?

Cassilda: Indeed it’s time. We have all laid aside disguise but you.

Stranger: I wear no mask.

Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!

Excerpt: Act 1, Scene 2


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Just caught the last few minutes of a random episode. Holy ****. Think I need to go back and watch it all
TelcoAg
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Looks like that's no good. Quote from Pizzolatto before the season ran:

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That said, I think I’ve made clear that my only interest in the Chambers stuff (Robert W. Chambers wrote “The King in Yellow”) is as a story that has a place in American myth. And it’s a story about a story that drives people into madness. That was mainly it. Beyond that, I’m interested in the atmosphere of cosmic horror, but that’s about all I have to say about weird fiction. I did feel the perception was tilted more towards weird fiction than perhaps it should have been. For instance, if someone needs a book to read along with season 1 of “True Detective,” I would recommend the King James Old Testament. I wouldn’t tell anyone to go buy Robert Chambers. It’s not that great a book.
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Thoroughly enjoyed the show and the ending as well, but there was one thing that didn't quite click with me (maybe I'm just dense). Was anyone else a little confused by the exchange between Rust and Marty regarding Rust feeling his daughters love in the afterlife and Marty referencing Rust's stories about seeing the stars in Alaska. I was expecting Marty to make some point that would bring comfort or understanding to Rust, but it just seemed to have no tie in to the story about his daughter.

Again, maybe I missed something obvious, but it almost felt like two entirely separate conversations and I couldn't see the connection between them.
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And I'll second the point about binge watching vs. watching in real time. My wife and I basically binge watched Breaking Bad over the course of a few weeks, and while I really enjoyed it (especially the last 1/2 dozen episodes) it definitely didn't have near the impact or excitement that most people have expressed. I think that the waiting and anticipation in between shows/seasons adds to the overall enjoyment value to some degree.
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it almost felt like two entirely separate conversations


Agree. It was a writerly moment and not especially true to Marty's character or to the specific conversation at hand.

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do you say that because those episodes relied heavily on action or did you just think they were done better than the others?



I hadn't really thought about it until you asked, but I suppose both. The action sequence at the end of the botched robbery was great. The juxtaposition of what actually happened vs. what Rust and Marty tell the cops happened when they take down LeDoux was an example of something well done.
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Was anyone else a little confused by the exchange between Rust and Marty regarding Rust feeling his daughters love in the afterlife and Marty referencing Rust's stories about seeing the stars in Alaska. I was expecting Marty to make some point that would bring comfort or understanding to Rust, but it just seemed to have no tie in to the story about his daughter.


beautiful scene of Marty and Rust's relationship right there.

Marty for the first time is truly viewing Rust as a friend. Rust has this major moment breaking down but it's clearly too much for both to handle. Instead of a "let it out, I'm there for you" type of statement, Marty is clearly the kind of guy who wants to comfort his new friend by trying help him not think about the tragic feelings that were making Rust so emotional.

Surely you all have friends/family you know like that. Some are the ones who hold you and say they are there for you. Others help you by trying to take your mind off it. Marty was the latter, and that's completely true to his character.

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I know i'm not the only one here that got a really strange vibe from Errol's first appearance in episode 3. Of course now that I've watched it again, it's obvious he was covering his accent because he didn't sound at all like someone that lived in those parts all his life. He sounded more Texan than someone from Louisiana.

The writer timed that scene perfectly to happen just before Hart heard back about Ledoux's record and skipping parole, diverting both the characters' and audiences' attention from the killer and school immediately. The preview for episode 3 definitely set this up well, having shown Ledoux walking around for the first time.

*edit: I see phatbc caught it too. I like that Rust mentioned in the finale how he missed it that day, having been preoccupied with Ledoux. It's funny how with stories like this that the most important and telling scenes seem so ordinary at first.


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TelcoAg
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Thoroughly enjoyed the show and the ending as well, but there was one thing that didn't quite click with me (maybe I'm just dense). Was anyone else a little confused by the exchange between Rust and Marty regarding Rust feeling his daughters love in the afterlife and Marty referencing Rust's stories about seeing the stars in Alaska. I was expecting Marty to make some point that would bring comfort or understanding to Rust, but it just seemed to have no tie in to the story about his daughter.

Again, maybe I missed something obvious, but it almost felt like two entirely separate conversations and I couldn't see the connection between them.


My thought was, Rust's mind was stuck yearning for a place he couldn't return to (sans suicide), and Marty was bringing him back into the darkness, light and warmth that exists in this world through the stars.

Or, I guess more likely, Marty was reminding Rust that there's still a lot of darkness out there. Reminding him of his purpose to keep living.

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Sounds like The Yellow King is a cross between Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness and Stephen King's Crimson King (both heavily influenced by Lovecraft).
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Was anyone else a little confused by the exchange between Rust and Marty regarding Rust feeling his daughters love in the afterlife and Marty referencing Rust's stories about seeing the stars in Alaska. I was expecting Marty to make some point that would bring comfort or understanding to Rust, but it just seemed to have no tie in to the story about his daughter.


beautiful scene of Marty and Rust's relationship right there.

Marty for the first time is truly viewing Rust as a friend. Rust has this major moment breaking down but it's clearly too much for both to handle. Instead of a "let it out, I'm there for you" type of statement, Marty is clearly the kind of guy who wants to comfort his new friend by trying help him not think about the tragic feelings that were making Rust so emotional.

Surely you all have friends/family you know like that. Some are the ones who hold you and say they are there for you. Others help you by trying to take your mind off it. Marty was the latter, and that's completely true to his character.



Agree. Also there's no way Marty can relate to his pain but they had conversations about Alaska and Cohle growing up there and Marty grabbed onto those to bring him back. Other people's pain makes some of us uncomfortable and not sure how to handle the situation. I actually expected Marty to make a bodily function joke at that moment, because that's what some guys do during emotional moments.
Bunk Moreland
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Yup. Old Marty would have began a response with "Jesus, Rust..." but the "5 degrees" of transformation at least made him man enough to recognize the hardship his new friend was going through and his best attempt at relieving that pain was taking his mind off it and letting Rust just talk about some open-ended "nonsense"(quotes because in Marty's old mind it's just nonsense)
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I binged on this show and thought it was excellent, but I binge on a lot of really good shows.
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AgFB
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Funny how they made that part so insignificant.
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What was up with all the accents from Erroll?
 
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