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3:34p, 2/19/14
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The writer also specifically said that he's not going to 'trick' us.


i'm not expecting much of a twist at all

i'm also not expecting a tour de force climax/resolution, nor i do think that is necessary.

that's another major benefit to the anthology format IMO.
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4:03p, 2/19/14
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I keep thinking back to when the 2 girls are fishing and the younger one says lets ask Grandpa for help and the older one tells her to be quiet.

Seems weird

That's not how that conversation played out. I went back and watched that scene and addressed it a page or two back. The younger one is the one that says "no".....but then she actually shouts to grandpa for assistance. The oldest is the one that told her to ask him for assistance.

I'm still holding to the fact that nothing in that scene makes me think the grandfather/FIL has anything to do with it. All that scene did was show the tension that Marty had with the family and it was more about him than it was the FIL/girls.

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4:40p, 2/19/14
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So one thing I have been thinking about - they have discussed a time or two the possibility of other bodies that were never linked to the case. Obviously the "drowned" girl with the spiral on her back that Cohle found that led them to Ledoux (and the school) is one. Do we think there are many others?

If the thought is that there are many other murders linked to the murderer or cult that were never connected, then why are there 2 extremely public and visual murders and the rest committed so quietly?
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4:41p, 2/19/14
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I find it humorous that Marty said you can't create the narrative and then bend the facts to make them show you want you want to see, only to have the investigators do the same thing in their investigation with Cohle. But if you want to get meta with this whole deal, it's almost as though Marty is talking directly the viewers.

Marty says that "detective's disease" is missing what's right under your nose. Now the show runners have come out and said 85% of the story is in the first couple episodes and vowed "no cheap tricks."

Marty says don't bend the facts to fit your narrative. Now here we are, all pouring over every still frame and musical note and 19th century novel to try and flesh out the twists that we're expecting and anticipating.

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4:49p, 2/19/14
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Now here we are, all pouring over every still frame and musical note and 19th century novel to try and flesh out the twists that we're expecting and anticipating.


isn't it fun?

screw binge-viewing. this is the best.
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4:54p, 2/19/14
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screw binge-viewing. this is the best.
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4:59p, 2/19/14
I'm waiting for somebody to start arguing the two black detectives are in the cult and they're trying to frame Cohle.
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4:59p, 2/19/14
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screw binge-viewing. this is the best.


As a pro binge watcher, the juxtaposition of House of Cards Season 2 and True Detective being on at the same time is interesting. Both are very good shows; I enjoy both. But the suspense between True Detective is consuming and I find myself trying to find people in real life who have watched True Detective so we can discuss it and HoC being an after thought.
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5:07p, 2/19/14
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So one thing I have been thinking about - they have discussed a time or two the possibility of other bodies that were never linked to the case. Obviously the "drowned" girl with the spiral on her back that Cohle found that led them to Ledoux (and the school) is one. Do we think there are many others?


The delapadated billboard for the missing girl has been shown twice now I believe and Cohle seems to reflect on it as he passes.

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True Detective is consuming and I find myself trying to find people in real life who have watched True Detective


This.
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5:25p, 2/19/14
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total non sequitur, but the billboard reminded me of this:

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5:37p, 2/19/14
AG
Ok, so I just re-watched Ep 1.

Along the lines of the "5 Kings" and other tie-ins to the #5: Hart placing a yellow evidence #5 next to one of the stick sculptures, at the site of the 1st known killing.

Something?
Nothing at all?
Pure coincidence?

Who knows...

[This message has been edited by RC_57 (edited 2/19/2014 5:37p).]
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5:41p, 2/19/14
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SuperDave:

Where are you from?

Saw that sign and it's predecessors tons of times between Orange and Beaumont.
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5:48p, 2/19/14
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http://imgur.com/a/3XDWC



[This message has been edited by SuperDave03 (edited 2/19/2014 5:50p).]
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7:01p, 2/19/14
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My favorite characters so far, other than the 2 leads, are the revival preacher and the fisherman grandfather. I can watch their performances over and over.
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7:09p, 2/19/14
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Great, comprehensive article from a story/screenwriting perspective. Lots of good article links + analysis...

http://gointothestory.blcklst.com/2014/02/true-detective-primer.html
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7:10p, 2/19/14
^

My favorite other than MM and WH is Mackelmore, I mean Charlie Lange.
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7:47p, 2/19/14
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I actually read the first short story of "the king in yellow".

Interesting read. Whole point is a fictional reality driving someone to insanity.
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8:48p, 2/19/14
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Marty is the one describing the events in his fantasy world while what really happened is shown. He talks about needing a family and boundaries while he runs over a kid's bike and almost beats up his girlfriend's boyfriend. When they showed how his daughter was playing with her dolls I about fell out and yelled "go yank up your kid and ask her why she's playing like that, it's not ok, where has she seen this". It's like he saw it but as a parent denied what he saw. Looking back, he sees reality it or not. Sometimes you can tell what is meant for the viewer only in shows. But this melds it all toghether so I'm not sure if the viewer and the cast sees it or just the viewer.
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8:50p, 2/19/14
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And he purses his lips a lot. Mainly when he's lying.
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9:03p, 2/19/14
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Oh and Cohle hasn't steered the investigation where he wants it to go. From the beginning, Marty could have told his boss to take them off this case. While Cohle was talking to the ground guy at the "lighter way" school, Marty got the info on ledoux from dispatch and laid on the horn to get Cohle back in the car. He gave the run down on Reggie and said "I gotta give you this one".
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9:25p, 2/19/14
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One thing I noticed re-watching the last episode...

Who were the only people that would know that the Livingston killer offered up info about the Yellow King? Chole and the officers in the interrogation.

Then the phone call/suicide happen.

Lends credence to this involving people and high places...which supports the cult theory.
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9:36p, 2/19/14
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Well yea. The same buzz cut blonde officer that restrained him after Cohle lit into him was the same buzz cut blonde officer that helped take him to
his phone call and back to his cell before he gruesomely killed himself.
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11:31p, 2/19/14
Marty is a scumbag. Narcissistic butthole, can't stand him.
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12:12a, 2/20/14
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"In another video HBO put out last night, Pizzolatto points out something that previously didn’t occur to me in regards to Cohle requesting beer during his interrogation: drinking during his questioning makes everything he says inadmissible in court.

Doubt it.

Up until episode 5, it doesn't even appear that Cohle is participating in a custodial interrogation, and everything he's saying is completely voluntary. Until episode 5, it just looks like he's assisting the police officers, not being subject to a custodial investigation.

So if the statements aren't made during a custodial investigation then we don't need to worry about their admissibility.

Even assuming it's a custodial investigation, drinking alcohol doesn't render inadmissible in and of itself. At least not that I'm aware. He'd get it suppressed because he wasn't given Miranda rights.
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1:06a, 2/20/14
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Saying they're not gonna trick you is like, the number one thing a person who is about to trick you would say.
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8:16a, 2/20/14
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My favorite other than MM and WH is Mackelmore, I mean Charlie Lange.


I could watch a whole episode of this dude just talking.
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8:28a, 2/20/14
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I still think Lester Freamon did it
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8:39a, 2/20/14
After reading all this...I really think they do not find the killer...unsolved and case goes ice cold

Close to 40% of murders in the US...do not get cleared and remain unsolved

[This message has been edited by Tmacsdaman (edited 2/20/2014 8:41a).]
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9:20a, 2/20/14
It's interesting to me how there have been a few times when what they are telling the modern day detectives and what is shown do not match.

Obviously the compound raid and when Rust says he's visiting his dying dad are examples.

Theory mode activated:
I wonder if it goes both ways. Are we seeing things that did not happen the way they really did? For instance did Marty's affair happen the way it was shown? Or was he messing with prostitutes? You never see the confrontation between his wife and Lisa. Can we trust Marty or is he leading the detectives astray and the camera is following his lies?

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9:45a, 2/20/14
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I think the affair happened the way they showed it, but I have started thinking about some other stuff. One thing that I can't get out of my mind is Marty running over the bike when he goes to his girlfriend's house. It was too symbolic to not mean something. And then I started thinking about all the exaggerations and lies Rust has told. It made me wonder if he never lost his daughter in the accident. He uses that as his explanation or basis for why he is the way he is. Maybe there is another story. Maybe it was a regular divorce, and that is the reason they highlight his relationship in the last episode. Maybe he never HAD a wife and kid. Maybe he was abused in the church or something of that nature, and that is why he is so against religion. I know I am getting to the point where I am overthinking things, but I am very curious to find out where the significance of the bike comes into play.
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9:50a, 2/20/14
I think the significance of the bike was to show he was drunk and pissed off.
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10:05a, 2/20/14
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Wouldn't him running over the bike be a metaphor for ruining his family with poor decisions like the one he's making?
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10:10a, 2/20/14
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there are no metaphors

there is no underlying meaning

you live, you die, and virtually any and all significance you associate with your life will be totally forgotten within two generations max

merry christmas
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10:13a, 2/20/14
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there are no metaphors

there is no underlying meaning

you live, you die, and virtually any and all significance you associate with your life will be totally forgotten within two generations max

merry christmas


Exactly.
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10:15a, 2/20/14
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I think the significance of the bike was to show he was drunk and pissed off.


And above the law. If Cohle never was married or had lost a daughter, I think the new detectives would have found that.
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