Alright alright alright...

why would a nihilist be concerned with eternity? and the vantage point of those within that frame?

I dunno but that was the 666th post on this thread!!!

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I dunno but that was the 666th post on this thread!!!

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Ahhhhhh! El Diablo! Dios Mio!

I wonder if the show is now going to be removed from the interview room and more into "present day" Louisiana.

For usernames I'm thinking:
Black Star
Carcosa
or Charlie Lange (really love the scenes he's in)

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"I was convinced that one of the girls was going to climb the tree to get the tiara and fall to her death."

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I felt the exact same thing. I was dreading that something bad was going to happen to one of those kids and when they lingered on the tiara in the tree, my heart sank.

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For usernames I'm thinking:
Black Star
Carcosa
or Charlie Lange (really love the scenes he's in)

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Reggie Ledoux, obvi.

This last episode was greatness. Very interested to see how the kids at the meth lab are involved. I can't see them as just a throw in to set Marty off so he will kill Ladoux. They are involved here somewhere.

I also think the author is intentionally highlighting the older daughter more, but I think the younger daughter is just as involved, too. She was there when the older daughter was playing with her dolls in the bedroom, and frankly she fits the bill more for the people associated with this. Of all the people we have seen involved with this cult or whatever it is, there haven't been any goth-type people. I think the grandfather is the most obvious link, but I think the older daughter is rebelling against it. That would make sense with the whole detective's curse and the answer being right under your nose but not what you are looking at. His oldest daughter, who he cannot understand or relate to, is the one who is acting out due to his inattention. The younger daughter is the popular, pretty, "normal" one who he can relate to, and the one who he understands. We have seen Marty have real issues with any type of child abuse (the underage prostitute, the kids at the meth lab, etc.), yet he slaps his daughter when she does not live her life the way he anticipated. I think eventually something happens with the daughters, specifically the younger one, that brings Marty and Rust to the connection between Tuttle and the grandfather. In fact while it is speculated that Rust might be the one who took out Tuttle, I think it is Marty.

Yeah I am wondering about the "falling out" between the two and feelin like it was ginned up to give the appearance they were no longer connected while they worked together to weed out the bad guys vigilante style.

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We've seen Cohle jump into a character with the biker gang. Are we seeing Cohle in a character now as the crazed burn out? Marty's comment to the effect of: "you weren't getting a read on him; he was getting a read on you" makes me think there's something to notion that Cohle has created this alter-ego intentionally.

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I agree with this.

^ Bingo.

Nice Dave!

Very nice Dave. Never thought about the correlation between the Dark Tower series and True Detective.


***DARK TOWER SPOILER***










Some similarities between Cohle's M-theory regarding time is a flat circle and Roland's fate of being trapped in a time loop in the Dark Tower. Both have multi-dimensional aspects and involve a person being forced to repeat his life over and over.








****END SPOILER*******

I feel like everything in this show is on purpose. I rewatched episodes 1-3 and things like Marty running over the pink bike with his car when he goes over to his girlfriends apartment are just too close to the story line to not be on purpose.

And quotes from earlier episodes all come back - it's just a matter of putting together the pieces. In episode 1, Cohle asks if they want to hear about "when we pulled those kids out". There are so many dots to connect - it's overwhelming!

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We've seen Cohle jump into a character with the biker gang. Are we seeing Cohle in a character now as the crazed burn out? Marty's comment to the effect of: "you weren't getting a read on him; he was getting a read on you" makes me think there's something to notion that Cohle has created this alter-ego intentionally.

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Let's delve further down that road.

Cohle has had a weird timeline...

-undercover in texas for years, files sealed. We don't know anything truly about those days other than he did have a relationship with Biker gang and his box which shows a relationship with them during undercover days.
-Shows up in LA and they catch a crazy case. -Solve it(so they think)
-A few years later he realizes it may not be solved and the killer was still out there, and starts to research it further.
-"falling out" happens(we dont' know exactly how yet)
-OFF THE GRID for 8? years?
-Shows back up in 2010
-2012 At the crime scene are a few days before it happened and photographed there after.
-questioned by State police about the old case and connections

We are all trying to piece together things we've seen so far, but we aren't looking as hard into the off the grid part other than just assuming he went rogue detective. That could be the case, but why would he be off the grid? The detectives currently investigating kind of just gloss over it. "you go off the grid for 8 years no one hears or sees you, then you show up, get a license, start popping up?"

He has a history of undercover work. Is it not crazy to assume he may have gone undercover again at the behest of some entity?

Going rogue detective for 8 years without anyone knowing where you are or having any information on you doesn't add up. I also don't buy that he went and turned evil and has just been living backwoods as a part of the cult for 8 years. There's something more to that time off the grid, IMO.

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Anbody else notice that Reggie Ledoux did not have a spiral tattoo on his back?

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Anybody else notice that Reggie Ledoux did not have a spiral tattoo on his back

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No I didn't. That's interesting.

I was too weirded out looking at all the other ink he had to notice what he didn't have.

Charlie Lange was the one who claimed Ledoux had the spiral brand.

Reggie had a spiral brand.

As well as one of a Rust look-a-like:

the dude that Marty killed had a big ass pentagram on his back, not a spiral.

maybe that wasn't really Ledoux?

He had a scar above the pentagram that could have previously been the spiral, foreshadowing that he was not the killer.

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And rise with me forever
Across the silent sand
And the stars will be your eyes
And the wind will be my hands

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Amazing that you guys spotted that scar.

But it looks as much like a bullet scar as a tattoo removal.

that's a helluva place to get shot

Yeah I too tried to take all his tats in thinking there had to be something to see and completely forgot to look for the spiral. Interesting.

One thing I couldn't remember. Was the "wreath" that Cohle finds at the original murder scene there when the body was found or did someone go back to add it?

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The circle was there in ep 1.

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Scatter shooting. Most of this has already been discussed -

1. No spiral tattoo or brand noticeable on LeDoux. Maybe that brand on him is supposed to be it, but I was expecting it to be much more obvious.

2. Spiral & Circle - I wonder if Cohle's membrane theory speech about time being a circle if viewed from the 4th dimension fits into the spiral markings we have seen. I feel like that entire theory doesn't really fit into his nihilistic philosophy, plus with him going back and viewing the circle again towards the end of the episode I am wondering if the circle is a tenant of this cult. LeDoux said something about time, too.

Maybe Cohle is off the grid because he has gone undercover trying to infiltrate the cult. That would explain why he knows where the next murder is going to occur. And maybe while Cohle has been undercover he has change in his outlook in life himself. How does his membrane theory match-up with his "dream in a locked room" line during the Monster speech? Important to note, he does't actually say he believes in membrane theory, just asks if they know about it. I think this signifies it is a major tenant of the cult and something he explored and learned about while investigating the murders the second time around.

3. The hell is going on with Marty's daughters? I think that is the key to all of this. Was that his youngest posing in the mirror in next week's previews?

4. Too much reverence for Cohle on here. I don't think he is as much in control as some seem to think. His philosophy has always struck me as somebody trying to cope with their mistakes more than anything. Whereas the believer might say "everything for a reason," Cohle says "it doesn't matter anyways!" If you were truly a nihilist, then why do you care so much about catching the bad guys? If we'd all be better off dead, why are you so compulsive about stopping somebody helping everyone along?

5. Going back and rewatching some of the scenes on youtube from earlier episodes, it's kind of funny to hear how full of chit both Cohle and Marty are when it comes to the Ledoux shoot-out "it was like how my Daddy described Vietnam" and Marty implying they wouldn't understand what went down if they'd never been in a shoot-out themselves.

6. Bar scene with Ledoux's side kick. Comments about a black shadow over Cohle's soul. What the hell was that?

7. .... and "good to see you finally commit to something" funniest line so far.

8. Heard Cohle's membrane theory almost word for word over 10 years ago from a man named "Rocket" late one night in the Kettle off I35 in San Marcos. Rocket had more ideas and inventions than John Travolta in the movie "Phenomenon," and he shared them all with me and my buddy that night. One of the more interesting conversations I've ever had.

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