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Shelton98
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I watched all 8 episodes as they aired, but only recorded the last 5. I'd like to rewatch with the wife (who hasn't seen any)..... are they going to re-air the first few eps anytime?
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R0GUE
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If you watched them on the air then that means you have HBO, which means you also have HBO Go. You can stream every episode through a computer or any number of digital devices.
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Not every provider has an agreement with hbo go.
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It's a pretty long list of providers that do though. Most likely he has it even if he doesn't know he has it. If he happens to subscribe to one of the few providers that doesn't I apologize in advance.
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Totally forgot about hbogo because I've never used it. She does all the time on her phone..... Thks for the advice.

DirectTV BTW.

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I binge watched... and loved every minute. I've been wanting to post a few thoughts:

After Cohle's time is a circle speech I thought the girls drawing and doll gang bang scene were memories leaking through from another time. Foreshadowing that she would be a future victim.

RE the Yellow King and the rich cult:
Look who described the Yellow King... dirt poor trash. The Childress family has money and connections that those prostitutes and meth heads couldn't fathom. They've had maintenance contracts with every Parrish on the coast for years. Errol and his dad were probably millionaires. In it's day that was probably an amazing property.

Grandpa Tuttle probably used that place like most rich people would use a ranch or deer lease. Instead of hunting and drinking he'd use it to stash his illegitimate children and rape kids. Sheriff Childress was the caretaker. Snatching kids and destroying the paper trails. Imagine how messed up a kid raised in that environment would be...

So my guess is that Grandpa Tuttle was the Yellow King and Errol was trying to continue the tradition and sharing stories he heard while trying to build his own little Manson family in the swamp.

Half sister:
Wasn't the old flower lady Errol's half/step Aunt? I think he even called her Aunt Betty after she asked him to make flowers. She was telling him how Grandpa Tuttle got her in the cane fields while she was sitting on his lap.

Lazy writing:
More like lazy viewing. This show isn't a paint by numbers. If you can't fill in the gaps yourself you should keep the channel on CBS or brace yourself for more disappointment and "lazy writing".

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Ha
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Lazy writing:
More like lazy viewing. This show isn't a paint by numbers. If you can't fill in the gaps yourself you should keep the channel on CBS or brace yourself for more disappointment and "lazy writing".


It's a very well written show, but that doesn't change that the "my cell phone doesn't work and we can't call for backup, lets split up, oh I found the secret backup phone" was pretty weak.

Not an integral part of the story, but certainly lazily written.
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I knew the killer when we first saw him. I based my theory on nothing, just felt like they would randomly introduce him at some point.
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Wasn't the old flower lady Errol's half/step Aunt? I think he even called her Aunt Betty after she asked him to make flowers. She was telling him how Grandpa Tuttle got her in the cane fields while she was sitting on his lap.


I missed this part the first time through. He definetly referenced his grandpa and her in the fields.
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It's a very well written show, but that doesn't change that the "my cell phone doesn't work and we can't call for backup, lets split up, oh I found the secret backup phone" was pretty weak.

Not an integral part of the story, but certainly lazily written.
either he found a phone in the house, or the detectives were tailing him anyway after the "if we find something" speech at the diner. To me you don't have that talk unless you have something and are about to take action.


Either way, not important to the story and glad they didn't waste time with filling in these "lazy writing holes."

Agree with above, CBS does a nice job of coloring in all the gaps with crayons if you really need all those filled.
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Didn't mind them not spelling it out with crayons, but that said, if they simply didn't include him finding the busted/disconnected landline phone, it probably would have avoided some unnecessary confusion for the viewer. I don't care either way though. I don't have any question that she produced a working phone vs him being tailed or some other explanation.

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Uh, they did tie it up with the "everybody has a phone" line.
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Anybody that needs more help in order to go from him saying that to her to the police showing up must need their hand held everywhere they go.

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R0GUE
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Ugh what am I supposed to do with my Sunday nights now?
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^ Game of Thrones in only three weeks. Mad Men in four weeks.

But yes, the next couple Sunday nights will be tough.
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Get caught up on Orphan Black in prep of season two.
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either he found a phone in the house, or the detectives were tailing him anyway after the "if we find something" speech at the diner. To me you don't have that talk unless you have something and are about to take action.


Either way, not important to the story and glad they didn't waste time with filling in these "lazy writing holes."

Agree with above, CBS does a nice job of coloring in all the gaps with crayons if you really need all those filled.


I find it amusing that you completely missed that they actually did show how the police got there because Harrelson's character found the backup phone, yet are suggesting others to look for more "simple" shows.

As said before -- it was a tiny part of the show but it should have been left out or written much better.

Must require them to be without backup -- ok, we'll use the overused "can't get a signal".

Must require them to split up even though it is foolish to do so (again, way overused) -- ok, we'll have one of them go and try and find a phone inside.

Must require some way to get the aforementioned backup there to find their injured bodies -- ok, we'll have a "secret backup phone" in the house that one of them manages to find.


Again, very well written show, but the way in which they found themselves "alone" and split up from one another was about as cliched as it gets.
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JJxvi, you nailed it. I don't get these viewers that need their hands held every step of the way. They should be watching Blues Clues, not True Detective.

Cliched ending? So what. The story was written well before filming by Nc, and y'all are confusing story criticism for actual series criticism. No cell phone service is NOT a cop out. Go visit some backwoods Louisiana areas (like I did on a stop to visit family friends on the way to Oxford in 2012 for that badass game), or just drive across Texas, and you'll bite your lazy, spoiled, tongue.
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hell, maybe they just had Sprint!
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No cell phone service is NOT a cop out. Go visit some backwoods Louisiana areas (like I did on a stop to visit family friends on the way to Oxford in 2012 for that badass game), or just drive across Texas, and you'll bite your lazy, spoiled, tongue.


The point was two former excellent Louisiana detectives probably should have realized the same thing before pinning their hopes on getting backup out to the house on their cell phones.

Thought the show was great, but I just felt that a show that 95% of the time had great writing just really "phoned it in" in the steps it took to setup the ending showdown.
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Must require some way to get the aforementioned backup there to find their injured bodies -- ok, we'll have a "secret backup phone" in the house that one of them manages to find.


Again, very well written show, but the way in which they found themselves "alone" and split up from one another was about as cliched as it gets.


What other shows or movies did this?

And how would you have had them do it?
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ChipFTAC01
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What show is that?
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Are those tunnels real or was that a set? It looked like an old fort or something

They filmed the Carcosa stuff at an old Confederate fort. Couldn't ask for a better creepy location.
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What other shows or movies did this?

And how would you have had them do it?


The inability to get cell phone reception to call for help and the idea to split up are pretty standard movie/tv cliches -- so much that they are spoofed in horror-comedies on a pretty regular basis.

As for how it should have been written? Eh, I'm not a writer. I just felt like the writing of those two characters and their actions had previously been so strong, and suddenly it was very cliche just to get them from Point A to Point B to setup the (very good) ending.

Honestly I think it would have been better if there was no mentioned of crapped out cell phone service or a "backup phone" at all. Have them go in immediately because they deem it prudent, and have the backup show up just like it did without any kind of talk of a "hidden phone"... Viewer can just assume they were being tailed, they crawled their way out of carcosa, or any number of results.

For a show that, as others have pointed out above, is not "paint by numbers" to understand what happened off-screen to get from Point A to Point B, suddenly in that segment it decided to be paint-by-numbers, and it painted them pretty poorly.
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The only reason they had them split up was to see Rust face the killer one on one. We would never hear the "little priest" or "take off your mask" quotes if Marty was there with Rust.

The writers just needed a way to have Rust alone with the killer and the no cell reception-I'll find a phone on my own IMO was sort of a cop out.

An easy rewrite could be seeing the girl upstairs in the window and then the bad guy takes off the other way. Marty goes in the house after the girl and Rust chases the bad guy. Boom, they split up and the audience understands why without it being cliche...
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Except by would they chase the girl? That makes no sense.
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Clearing the house when you know someone is in there. I highly doubt they both would go after the guy into the woods if they also saw someone else in the house.

Again, it was just a hypothetical scenario rather than the writers using the old no signal-let's split up cliche...
Belton Ag
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Are you guys really debating this?

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mhayden
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I admitted it was nit-picky... Just pointed it out for those that were claiming that all of the writing was 100% undoubtedly the most intelligent ever and if you didn't think so you needed a "paint by numbers" show on CBS.
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"paint by numbers" show on CBS.


they're re-running the shield on network?
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