Cali fires and wind storms

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Vanity thy name is ABC news...

Sorry Shakespeare.
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Thanks for that information. That answers for me some of the financial impact questions I had.
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HollywoodBQ said:

Mas89 said:

I don't understand why they don't have/ use numerous diesel powered water pumps and use the ocean water.
Makes zero sense to me that all these very expensive beach front homes are burning up with " no water " available.
And people keep asking me why I moved from someplace as great as Los Angeles to someplace as crappy as Galveston.

Looks aren't everything.
Yes and these pumps and hoses are on small bumper pulled trailers and are available at most equipment rental places. We use them for farm/ ranch irrigation regularly but they would also save buildings with the massive amount of water they pump. The common 8 inch pumps probably put out over 1,000 gallons per minute.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

That was a solid rant by Adam Carolla.

One of the things he got on to with the Carsen Daly swimming pool story is how many of the houses in LA have been remodeled and have not had to meet modern building codes.

When they go to rebuild, everything will have to be up to modern codes which will make everything painful and more expensive.

My $1.1M mansion was insured for about $300,000 rebuild cost and the land was valued at $800,000.

It'll be interesting to see what folks were insured for versus what the rebuild cost is. Especially over the 3 year timeline that Carolla laid out, if they can even get a rebuild approved.

In case you missed it, this is a solid rant.




I can speak to this. This is an unintended consequence of Prop13 which changed how property taxes and re-assements are levied. I could write pages on how in the 70's people were being taxed out of their homes (to some degree the same is happening in TX now). So the result was to cap reassements to the purchase price and values could rise only a max of 2% annually tied to the CPI. The end result is homes are under taxed and starve the local and state government of funds which has led to an over taxation on businesses and has lead to CA experiencing boom and bust cycles.

To HBQ's point, a side effect is how improvements are taxed. Essentially any new add on SQ is taxed and capped at current market rate. But.... if you only remodel that sort of flies under the radar for permits. Which is why you'll see shanty looking homes next to mansions.

When you go to pull a permit if the total improvement value is >50% of the value of the structure that is referred to as a Substantial Improvement. Consequently if you're doing damage repairs and the total in damages is >50% of the value of the structure of the home it's considered Substantially Damaged. (This applies to flooding damage as well).

When this occurs the ENTIRE structure must be brought up to code and the cost can explode. This is why if you're flooded and in the 100yr flood plain and have been Sub Dammed you have to physically lift/elevate the home above the 100yr flood plain.

Now IF these homes have wildfire coverage they will receive the max the policy allows BUT it may not be calculated correctly for current rebuild costs, because the assessed value was never reported to either the assessors office or the carrier. This they are under insured. Unless the person said, i want to pay for higher coverage because they knew the policy couldnt cover the rebuild cost. But insurance is usually something people under pay for and roll the dice theyll never need it. Same for flood, if you do not have FEMA flood insurance you're SOL. But the feds do not provide separate wildfire coverage like they do for floods.

Insurance carriers in recent years have been canceling wildfire riders and theres a very high probability the majority of homes lost will have zero coverage even if covered by a homeowners policy. They'll be denied.

Before the last fire is extinguished, this will be a major news story since 99.9% of homes will be a total loss.

Edit: the above is for normal homes.

Those on the coast that have to deal with the Coastal Commission, they are truly ****ed. They will not be allowed to rebuild. They may own the lots, but the CC can deny permits. Wow, this is going to get so spicy.
The city/county will want homes to be rebuilt as soon as possible. They can't tax the value of property at its max if a home is not on it. I have a feeling that they will loosen some of these regulations and codes to allow for rebuilding to begin.
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MarkTwain said:

Dice take


That interview with the Mayor of LA was shocking.

She looked stunned and looked like she wanted to get out of there but couldn't figure out how to escape.
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It's the natural cycle of regulation. As your advancing and growing you tighten. Once area is established, you regulate to try to maintain.
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The utter incompetence and lack of accountability from any elected official in California and the greater LA area is absolutely ridiculous at this point.
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AtticusMatlock said:

Thousands of people, likely tens of thousands of people are now or will soon be homeless and have lost everything. Poaters on this site posting that they somehow deserved it is disgusting and it demonstrates the kind of people some of you are.



I'm not going to read this entire thread to see a few posters rambling on. However, discussion does not fall under the category of "deserved" when people are pointing out the obvious. Democrats created this situation through their governance and worship at the climate change/DEI grift alter. No brush maintenance, no dead trees cleared out, no water (even after voters told their leaders to start stockpiling water), firing fireman because they wouldn't get the jab, discrimination against actual people who are qualified for the physical demands of the job because they are white males, hiring leaders at the top of local governance because they are gay females, and so on.

California has a super majority of democrats in the legislature. LA and surrounding affluent areas are like 80% democratic. The governor has presidential aspirations. Yet, people can't admit it's a democratic policy problem because it affects their team. There's not a Republican in charge anywhere where this disaster is occurring. These are facts. The people of California have to start demanding their government to be operational for the most important tasks.

Just wait when it's time to rebuild and all of thousands of regulations democrats have put in place over the past three decades come into play. I feel sorry for them but you can't go through life not realizing this most important fact - local and state governments are the most immediate.
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Dan Scott said:

It's the natural cycle of regulation. As your advancing and growing you tighten. Once area is established, you regulate to try to maintain.




It's also obviously arson.
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Mas89 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

Mas89 said:

I don't understand why they don't have/ use numerous diesel powered water pumps and use the ocean water.
Makes zero sense to me that all these very expensive beach front homes are burning up with " no water " available.
And people keep asking me why I moved from someplace as great as Los Angeles to someplace as crappy as Galveston.

Looks aren't everything.
Yes and these pumps and hoses are on small bumper pulled trailers and are available at most equipment rental places. We use them for farm/ ranch irrigation regularly but they would also save buildings with the massive amount of water they pump. The common 8 inch pumps probably put out over 1,000 gallons per minute.
A side note on water in SoCal is that I can't believe they've never pursued desalination.
High Speed Rail = Yes, water for the 20M people = No

We had desal water in my hometown in Saudi Arabia in the early 1980s.
And Riyadh wouldn't be what it is today if they didn't have a water pipeline from the desal plants at Al-Jubail.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0011916487900956
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TexasAggiesWin said:

The utter incompetence and lack of accountability from any elected official in California and the greater LA area is absolutely ridiculous at this point.


There should be heads rolling (figuratively of course) when this disaster gets cleared up.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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torrid said:

Krombopulos Michael said:

Sorry for the false alarm folks.

I saw the James Woods post and thought it was worse than it is......20 acres FFS.

Delete thread, ban user.
Dry conditions and high winds, it may not stay 20 acres.


that post.....

How it started, how's it going now.

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Nanomachines son said:

Dan Scott said:

It's the natural cycle of regulation. As your advancing and growing you tighten. Once area is established, you regulate to try to maintain.




It's also obviously arson.
It's not arson it was "campers", haven't you heard? "Campers" is the newest word being used to describe homeless vagrants that **** on the sidewalk.
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The MORE they speak, the MORE people are understanding how 'those in charge' FAILED them.
Catastrophic.
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Cal state legislator has a thread here about how California has politically and practically ensured more fires by policy.
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In the 1950s the average timber harvest in California was around 6.0 billion board feet per year. Today, that number has dropped to ~1.5 billion board feet per year.

California's forests, which cover a third of the state, are now choked with nearly 163 million dead trees.
California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and other regulatory policies limit the ability of local government and fire management services to clear dead trees and vegetation. (This is a big deal and prevents much of the controlled burns we desperately need.)

Multiple bills, including AB 2330, AB 1951, and AB 2639 were rejected by the democrat-controlled Legislature or vetoed by the Governor that would have exempted wildfire prevention projects from CEQA and other permitting issues.

Other legislation, including SB 1003, would have provided CEQA exemptions for utility undergrounding projects, as power lines that are not adequately cleared of debris present major wildfire risks. These bills also failed to reach the Governor's desk.

California has prioritized "suppression-only" strategies and failed to remove accumulated vegetation, leading to denser forests with increased fuel loads our forests have become tinderboxes, leading to devastating outcomes when a fire starts.

Bottom line: many of the wild fires CA experienced could have been prevented or significantly mitigated with better management, policies, and funding. This is a time for accountability and, more importantly, change in how we approach fire policy. Many of the rejected proposals were brought by Republicans, and I suspect they were rejected for that reason. There is only one political party to blame for CA's failures.
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The biggest issue we face today is that our leaders -- government, business, etc. -- are all focused on the wrong things.

We no longer care whether the hydrants work or the power lines are buried or the airplanes are on time or the mail is delivered or our products are safe or our customer service people speak English.

Instead, our leaders are focused on trendy social issues like DEI -- and building their own wealth. Even the conservative ones seem to have lost their focus on what matters.

Perfect example: Why the hell is the mayor of LA attending the Ghanian president's inauguration.? Any mayor worth a spit would say "I'm not taking a junket to Ghana ... I'm the mayor of LA and my job is here." But of course, that is so old-fashioned. She's the mayor so she deserves this perk!

Politicians and business leaders have ALWAYS been self-serving. But today they don't even pretend to care about responsibility, competence or efficiency.
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Prosperdick said:


An actual photo of Gavin watching his 2028 presidential campaign going up in flames.
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They are running out of water for this?

Wow.

With criminal levels of taxation, they don't have the facilities for this?

Newsome's trips to French Laundrie could have paid for an engineering assessment of their system.
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Houston Lee said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

That was a solid rant by Adam Carolla.

One of the things he got on to with the Carsen Daly swimming pool story is how many of the houses in LA have been remodeled and have not had to meet modern building codes.

When they go to rebuild, everything will have to be up to modern codes which will make everything painful and more expensive.

My $1.1M mansion was insured for about $300,000 rebuild cost and the land was valued at $800,000.

It'll be interesting to see what folks were insured for versus what the rebuild cost is. Especially over the 3 year timeline that Carolla laid out, if they can even get a rebuild approved.

In case you missed it, this is a solid rant.




I can speak to this. This is an unintended consequence of Prop13 which changed how property taxes and re-assements are levied. I could write pages on how in the 70's people were being taxed out of their homes (to some degree the same is happening in TX now). So the result was to cap reassements to the purchase price and values could rise only a max of 2% annually tied to the CPI. The end result is homes are under taxed and starve the local and state government of funds which has led to an over taxation on businesses and has lead to CA experiencing boom and bust cycles.

To HBQ's point, a side effect is how improvements are taxed. Essentially any new add on SQ is taxed and capped at current market rate. But.... if you only remodel that sort of flies under the radar for permits. Which is why you'll see shanty looking homes next to mansions.

When you go to pull a permit if the total improvement value is >50% of the value of the structure that is referred to as a Substantial Improvement. Consequently if you're doing damage repairs and the total in damages is >50% of the value of the structure of the home it's considered Substantially Damaged. (This applies to flooding damage as well).

When this occurs the ENTIRE structure must be brought up to code and the cost can explode. This is why if you're flooded and in the 100yr flood plain and have been Sub Dammed you have to physically lift/elevate the home above the 100yr flood plain.

Now IF these homes have wildfire coverage they will receive the max the policy allows BUT it may not be calculated correctly for current rebuild costs, because the assessed value was never reported to either the assessors office or the carrier. This they are under insured. Unless the person said, i want to pay for higher coverage because they knew the policy couldnt cover the rebuild cost. But insurance is usually something people under pay for and roll the dice theyll never need it. Same for flood, if you do not have FEMA flood insurance you're SOL. But the feds do not provide separate wildfire coverage like they do for floods.

Insurance carriers in recent years have been canceling wildfire riders and theres a very high probability the majority of homes lost will have zero coverage even if covered by a homeowners policy. They'll be denied.

Before the last fire is extinguished, this will be a major news story since 99.9% of homes will be a total loss.

Edit: the above is for normal homes.

Those on the coast that have to deal with the Coastal Commission, they are truly ****ed. They will not be allowed to rebuild. They may own the lots, but the CC can deny permits. Wow, this is going to get so spicy.
The city/county will want homes to be rebuilt as soon as possible. They can't tax the value of property at its max if a home is not on it. I have a feeling that they will loosen some of these regulations and codes to allow for rebuilding to begin.


Part of what will happen very shortly is the LA County Assessors Office is about to get bombarded with requests to $0 out the improvement value on their tax bill. They'll still have to pay the land value of their tax bill.

This will have an impact on city and state tax receipts.

They'll also have to pay to have their property cleared and theres a high probability They'll have to dig out the foundations of their homes. Depending on damage OR depending on what they plan to rebuild, that slab has to be to code.

A great side gig will be owning a dump truck and a front end loader. Can't imagine how much personal wealth is sitting in those ashes when it comes to precious metals

The fallout of this event is going to be absolutely epic. I really wonder if they may recall the Mayor and council people. California's LOVE to recall elected officials and these angry people have wealth to throw at it.

Council can change city build codes, but then you'll have an idealogical war happening.
aTm '99
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fixer said:

They are running out of water for this?

Wow.

With criminal levels of taxation, they don't have the facilities for this?

Newsome's trips to French Laundrie could have paid for an engineering assessment of their system.

They passed a $7B bond to pay for water storage to prevent runoff into the ocean several years ago and have built exactly nothing. Criminal levels of negligence IMO.
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Its not about whether the tanks are full and the firefighters are competent....

Its about who fills the tanks and who wears the uniform
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Pure competence. Just reading a script that she doesn't understand.



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Who?mikejones! said:

Its not about whether the tanks are full and the firefighters are competent....

Its about who fills the tanks and who wears the uniform
Yep. Lenin's old "who, whom" in practice.
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Oh, after leaving PG&E after their disastrous responsibility for power lines causing fires and being summarily hired by LA to run water there, she also makes more than twice what her male predecessor did. Presumably for being such an excellent administrator I guess. Examples of creative, outside the box thinking in action:
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LA Department of Water and Power CEO Janisse Quinone
- enjoys a $750,000 a year salary
- strong proponent of DEI and Women's rights
- focused on using recycled water using a $428 Million grant of Federal Funds.
- expanded our "carbon free power supply" with a "64 percent clean energy" profile.
- supported the poor through the " Powered by Equity initiative", "Customer Support Saturdays" and "Cool LA Heat Relief for Seniors events"


A half billion dollar federal grant for recycled water use when they are literally tearing down dams to send more runoff to the pacific to save a minnow and critical reservoirs are not filled/pumps not strong enough to reach higher elevations around LA.

But wait, there's more! That federal funds was just the contribution from US taxpayers, it's actually part of a $740 million wastewater reclamation project they have boasted about. But the city had to cut the FD budget by $20 million.
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The project features treating wastewater from the existing water reclamation plant in the Van Nuys neighborhood of Los Angeles using microfiltration, reverse osmosis and ultraviolet and advanced oxidation.

The facility will also feature electrical, maintenance and warehouse facilities to help produce and convey the purified water from Tillman 10 miles northeast to L.A. County's Hansen Spreading Grounds. There the purified water will recharge the San Fernando Groundwater Basin and provide a new drought-resistant source of drinking water as it fills the groundwater aquifer. The water will then get delivered through taps into homes after additional testing and treatment.

The city has used recycled water for over 40 years. The new plant will be the third for the city and the largest, bigger than the 12 million gallons per day at the Terminal Island Water Reclamation Plant and the 1.5 million gallons per day at the Hyperion Water Reclamation Plant. This is the first facility in Los Angeles to use recycled water for in-home taps as drinking water.
Remember W's infamous 'You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie!' In Louisiana?
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Nanomachines son said:

Dan Scott said:

It's the natural cycle of regulation. As your advancing and growing you tighten. Once area is established, you regulate to try to maintain.




It's also obviously arson.

That picture looks like the profile of a dragon breathing out fire.
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powerbelly said:

fixer said:

They are running out of water for this?

Wow.

With criminal levels of taxation, they don't have the facilities for this?

Newsome's trips to French Laundrie could have paid for an engineering assessment of their system.

They passed a $7B bond to pay for water storage to prevent runoff into the ocean several years ago and have built exactly nothing. Criminal levels of negligence IMO.
Wait until you hear about their high-speed rail project!
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aezmvp said:

powerbelly said:

fixer said:

They are running out of water for this?

Wow.

With criminal levels of taxation, they don't have the facilities for this?

Newsome's trips to French Laundrie could have paid for an engineering assessment of their system.

They passed a $7B bond to pay for water storage to prevent runoff into the ocean several years ago and have built exactly nothing. Criminal levels of negligence IMO.
Wait until you hear about their high-speed rail project!
Don't get me started on the waste of high speed rail in the US.
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My god this press conference is absurd. They should be giving out information, updates on next steps, etc. Instead they are giving these emotional soliloquies.
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The water they do have is not safe to drink. They just issued a boil water notice.

What's insane to me, having to deal with LA County and City fire departments in a previous career, is that every business has to have a permit and submit thousands of dollars, with annual reports, to the local governements for simply storing a barrel of oil or a barrel of anything flammable/combustible. The FDs generate hundreds of millions from these "Hazardous Materials Business Plans" that businesses have to submit by law. They send inspectors out to take a look at your barrel. You have to draw maps of your entire facilitiy locating all utilities and storage areas. You have to have a "contingnecy plan" that outlines where the nearest emergency facility is located and their contact information. All of your employees have to be trained on hazardous material storage, annually, to simply store a barrel of oil, paint, or even propane.

I have no doubt that CA will double down on these idiotic regulations in an effort to prove that these agencies have a purpose.

And yet, here we are.
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I own rent free space in TPS's head....
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Bird Poo said:

The water they do have is not safe to drink. They just issued a boil water notice.

What's insane to me, having to deal with LA County and City fire departments in a previous career, is that every business has to have a permit and submit thousands of dollars, with annual reports, to the local governements for simply storing a barrel of oil or a barrel of anything flammable/combustible. The FDs generate hundreds of millions from these "Hazardous Materials Business Plans" that businesses have to submit by law. They send inspectors out to take a look at your barrel. You have to draw maps of your entire facilitiy locating all utilities and storage areas. You have to have a "contingnecy plan" that outlines where the nearest emergency facility is located and their contact information. All of your employees have to be trained on hazardous material storage, annually, to simply store a barrel of oil, paint, or even propane.

I have no doubt that CA will double down on these idiotic regulations in an effort to prove that these agencies have a purpose.

And yet, here we are.
I used to double hat as a pseudo PM just to assist my actual PM when I was contracting there just to keep even with the atrocious amounts of regulations and paperwork we had to keep abreast of.

My favorite one was having to have a water truck with sprayer accessible anytime heavy equipment work was being done within a mile of residential I think it was. To keep the ground wet and not kick up dust. Which we didn't have so we had to contract that out of course. So we had to pay an uber premium to have a dude sit in a truck and spray a work site every half hour or so. There were three houses about a half mile away from us. But hey, we just passed the cost on to the client. Which was the US government.

All that being said, I don't see any way there is not going to be an extradite process at play here. It's bad optics so some hand waving will make some of it go away I am sure.
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Raiderjay said:


I don't get this. Am I supposed to believe that someone who has 22 years on the job and rose through the ranks starting as a Firefighter, then Paramedic, Engineer, Fire Inspector, Captain I, Captain II, Battalion Chief, Assistant Chief, Deputy Chief, Chief Deputy, and now Fire Chief is not qualified for the job because they're gay?

If I need the fire department, I'm not standing out front checking sexual orientation before I let them get to work.
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