Wow, that didn't take long……. San Francisco's new mayor just appointed a new fire chief. The new chief is an experienced male fireman, and is replacing a female fire chief.

https://missionlocal.org/2025/01/mayor-daniel-luries-first-appointment-new-fire-chief-dean-crispen/

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Crispen is replacing Sandy Tong, the interim fire chief appointed by former Mayor London Breed in September 2024 amid the late stage of the mayoral race. As the highest-ranking Chinese American within the department with 35 years of experience working in emergency medical services, Tong was the first Asian fire chief as well as the first fire chief without a firefighting background. Tong succeeded former chief Jeanine Nicholson, who abruptly announced her retirement on July 26.

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Houston Lee said:

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Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline and empty when firestorm exploded.

Had the 117 million gallon reservoir been operable, it would have extended water pressure in the Palisades on Tuesday night. pic.twitter.com/YBbIPuHerD

— Rantingly (@rantinglydotcom) January 10, 2025

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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

Probably, but it also probably wouldn't have changed much.

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Had the reservoir been operable, water pressure in the Palisades would have lasted longer on Tuesday night, said former DWP general manager Martin Adams, an expert on the city's water system. But only for a time.

"You still would have ended up with serious drops in pressure," Adams said in an interview Thursday. "Would Santa Ynez (Reservoir) have helped? Yes, to some extent. Would it have saved the day? I don't think so."

A DWP official acknowledged that the reservoir's absence likely contributed to some diminished pressure and dry hydrants in upper regions of the Palisades.

However, a spokesperson for the utility said in a statement that DWP was still evaluating the effect of the reservoir being placed offline, and that staffers were conducting a root-cause analysis.

"Our primary focus is to provide water supply throughout the city," the DWP spokesperson said, adding, "The system was never designed for a wildfire scenario that we are experiencing."

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

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The problem is that the water in the reservoir is all treated drinking water. You can't just leave it open because it can be contaminated and start to grow all kinds of crap in it. Then it goes straight to homes. They took their sweet ass time with the cover repairs, but even if it had been available, it's debatable on how much it would have helped. The issue was pumping water into tanks to maintain pressure via gravity, which is pretty normal operation because the volume of water doesn't matter, just the height, and an elevated tank gives a more constant pressure than pumps.

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Whether the reservoir would have had a meaningful effect on fighting a blaze of such intensity remains unclear. Researchers said urban water systems like DWP's were not designed to fight wildfires that overtake whole neighborhoods.

Water pressure in the upper Palisades is sustained with three storage tanks, which hold 1 million gallons each. The tanks, part of a network of more than 100 across the city, are located at successively higher elevations in the coastal, hilly neighborhood, with water pumped up to the tanks, then flowing down by gravity to maintain pressure.

By 3 a.m. Wednesday, all three tanks had gone dry.

DWP Chief Executive Janisse Quinones said the tanks could not be refilled fast enough and that demand at lower elevations hampered the ability to pump water to tanks at higher elevations. In one case, DWP crews attempting to reroute water to refill a tank had to be evacuated, officials said.

Quinones said four times the usual demand for water on the trunk line over a 15-hour period led to drops in water pressure.

Had the Santa Ynez Reservoir been in use in that period, Adams estimated, that demand might have been just three times as high. Water in the reservoir would have fed the firefighting equipment and helped the pump stations push water to the storage tanks. But the reservoir "wouldn't have lasted forever and would not have been a fix-all," Adams said.

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Also, it would not have been at full capacity anyway, even under normal conditions.

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The reservoir is one of several operated by DWP across the city, which have a combined capacity of more than 4.1 billion gallons of water. Including aqueduct reservoirs, the city can store more than 91 billion gallons across its vast infrastructure. The Santa Ynez complex, at 117 million gallons, is among several sources of water in the area, including a large pipeline from Stone Canyon and a smaller site, the nearby Palisades Reservoir.

The utility designs the system with redundancies and multiple sources of water. In a statement, the agency said that none of its infrastructural assets failed Tuesday and early Wednesday but that the "intensity" of the fire disrupted the contingencies in place.

Adams said that if the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been in normal use with a fully repaired cover, the water level would likely have been well below maximum capacity.

In the winter, water levels are kept purposely lower because of a seasonal decline in water use by residents. If water remains stagnant in a reservoir, there is a risk that chloramine, the chemical used as a disinfectant, will break down and chlorine will evaporate, leaving behind ammonia that could foster bacterial growth in the water supply.

"You would not have had a whole pile of water just sitting there," Adams said. "That's the battle in water storage you've got to keep your tanks and reservoirs fluctuating."

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The water is there. The ability to move enough of it fast enough is not.

Gator92 said:

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This sums up that some are more equal than others.

There are 4-5 Helos dedicated to a handful of structures on Mandeville Canyon Rd. They are taking a drink from the Encino Reservoir.

What do u guess the cost per flight hour going on here?

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I'm not familiar enough with the geography, but is it the structures or wanting to nip it in the bud before it turns into a much bigger problem?

I have no idea where that is.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Gator92 said:

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This sums up that some are more equal than others.

There are 4-5 Helos dedicated to a handful of structures on Mandeville Canyon Rd. They are taking a drink from the Encino Reservoir.

What do u guess the cost per flight hour going on here?

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I'm not familiar enough with the geography, but is it the structures or wanting to nip it in the bud before it turns into a much bigger problem?

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Pretty clear they are making multiple drops on houses along Mandeville Canyon Rd. W/ at least 4 helos.

Maybe a fire crew is there and they are trying to save them. Maybe there are civilians there that need saving.

Maybe all those houses have already burnt down.

All that to say...

You would think they are using this kind of response to save lives. However, fires have been raging for days and one would think everyone would have evacuated.

Has to be a very exclusive neighborhood and they are trying to save structures.

They need an A list to be able to say their multi million dollar mansion survived thanks to Gavin...

Gator92 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Gator92 said:

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This sums up that some are more equal than others.

There are 4-5 Helos dedicated to a handful of structures on Mandeville Canyon Rd. They are taking a drink from the Encino Reservoir.

What do u guess the cost per flight hour going on here?

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I'm not familiar enough with the geography, but is it the structures or wanting to nip it in the bud before it turns into a much bigger problem?

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Pretty clear they are making multiple drops on houses along Mandeville Canyon Rd. W/ at least 4 helos.

Maybe a fire crew is there and they are trying to save them. Maybe there are civilians there that need saving.

Maybe all those houses have already burnt down.

All that to say...

You would think they are using this kind of response to save lives. However, fires have been raging for days and one would think everyone would have evacuated.

Has to be a very exclusive neighborhood and they are trying to save structures.

They need an A list to be able to say their multi million dollar mansion survived thanks to Gavin...

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I watched the local LA news channel and they had their own chopper showing this exact fire line and all of the chopper water drops.

There are zero structures there. There is a small road / canyon that has a ton of fire fighters staged there on the road that goes through the center.

They've also dropped fire ******ant there to stop the spread of the fire any further along this small canyon pass.

They're making a coordinated effort to halt the fire and not let it cross this little canyon road. On the other side is lots of residential it could spread to, and the Getty Museum, and then the 405 freeway which has tons of residential north and south in the basins.

The next major road would be the 405 freeway.

I'm the hour or so I had the local coverage streaming, the fire crept closer and closer to the through road of this little valley and then slowly started to die down as it got closer and hit the fire ******ant lines. All while the choppers were making water drops. It looks like they effectively stopped the fire from progressing further or crossing the road, and along the road where tons of fire fire fighters ready squash it.


And yeah, of course they are trying to save structures and they are evacuating areas West of this fire which is the direction it's traveling. Do you want them to just let the fire run freely across town burning neighborhoods, museums, and film studios?

This is the fire those helicopters are focused on:

Fire tornado’s spinning up on Mandeville Canyon as palisades fire breaches the ridge towards Encino. Wild stuff. pic.twitter.com/fsCGVUmwSe

— Bo H (@DBoHi_C) January 11, 2025

🚨🚨 Incredible: firefighters seem to be holding the fire at the ridgeline of the mountain in Encino/Tarzana neighborhoods.pic.twitter.com/Al3le53Qkc

— Darren Marble (@darrenmarble) January 11, 2025

There is nothing west of Mandeville Canyon Rd for 5 miles.

East of the road is a golf course and the 405. East of 405 there is a cluster of housing.

Save them if they can. But the amount or resources being used outsizes the destruction that has already occurred.

There has been DC9, DC10, C130, UH60, UH47 and other types deployed all around the same area for days.

Yet, more densely populated areas have burned to the ground...

Gator92 said:

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There is nothing west of Mandeville Canyon Rd for 5 miles.

East of the road is a golf course and the 405. East of 405 there is a cluster of housing.

Save them if they can. But the amount or resources being used outsizes the destruction that has already occurred.

There has been DC9, DC10, C130, UH60, UH47 and other types deployed all around the same area for days.

Yet, more densely populated areas have burned to the ground...

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I used to live really close to where this fire is there is residential all over north and south, not more than 3-4 miles before it's dense neighborhoods.

This fire can't be allowed to spread from where's its at, it has residential on all sides of it, the Palisades already being behind it and torched.

Maybe it looks farther away on the map than it really is, but if they just let this spot burn up the hill side it would be burning down neighborhoods in a matter of hours depending on the winds.

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Gator92 said:

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There is nothing west of Mandeville Canyon Rd for 5 miles.

East of the road is a golf course and the 405. East of 405 there is a cluster of housing.

Save them if they can. But the amount or resources being used outsizes the destruction that has already occurred.

There has been DC9, DC10, C130, UH60, UH47 and other types deployed all around the same area for days.

Yet, more densely populated areas have burned to the ground...

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I used to live really close to where this fire is there is residential all over north and south, not more than 3-4 miles before it's dense neighborhoods.

This fire can't be allowed to spread from where's its at, it has residential on all sides of it, the Palisades already being behind it and torched.

Maybe it looks farther away on the map than it really is, but if they just let this spot burn up the hill side it would be burning down neighborhoods in a matter of hours depending on the winds.

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Correct. This fire would get really dangerous really quick if left unchecked. People need to zoom out a bit to realize that.

If its a new fire, best to throw everything g available at it to stop it when it's small before it turns into another beast. Regardless of who or what homes are nearest. Goal is to prevent it becoming another 10k acre fire.

There is no conspiracy here. This is just the exposure and failure of society/policies that has been created in LA.

It LOOKS almost deliberate because it's so bad…. Like how the Harris campaign was run.

I've seen many videos of people being caught in the act of starting fires there.

I'm not sonsure the original fire was intentionally set. The satellite view is suspect.

I've also read it was a homeless camp that started the fire.

Either way, the original fore was probably natural, but there's definitely been some people taking advantage of the chaos.

Thinking back to the Hawaii fires and there was no water in the hydrants there and controversy on how the land was handled. I remember a rumor Oprah was buying like and entire city.

When will these politicians be held accountable for stealing from their constituents?

What I just learned and what is really wild is that the damn smelt fish doesn't even exist anymore in the water they are diverting away from use. It's extinct in those waters.

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What I just learned and what is really wild is that the damn smelt fish doesn't even exist anymore in the water they are diverting away from use. It's extinct in those waters.

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Wait until you find out that there was never actually such a thing as a Snail Darter in Tennessee!

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YouBet said:

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What I just learned and what is really wild is that the damn smelt fish doesn't even exist anymore in the water they are diverting away from use. It's extinct in those waters.

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Wait until you find out that there was never actually such a thing as a Snail Darter in Tennessee!

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I keep going on these snipe hunts and never see one! WTF!

Iran is a lot like old school Al Qaeda and take credit for everything but there may be something to this

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Iran is a lot like old school Al Qaeda and take credit for everything but there may be something to this

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I'm thinking more 'revenge by Allah' is what they mean.

if found true, Trump will go on a mullah hunting spree.....

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And the blame game beings. Too late to be pointing fingers when you're the governor. This is making him look so much worse.

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He has been saying that water supply for hydrants was a local problem, despite that it is clearly under DWP, a state agency, of which he is the Executive. (Department of Water and Power.)

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If he expected an honest investigation, I doubt he would be calling for this investigation.
Clearly he is partly responsible, so I presume he & his minions have already determine the target & will have guaranteed conviction of the target.

🚨 JUST IN: Gavin Newsom wants Joe Biden to INTERVENE in what he deems to be “misinformation” about the fires

Incredible.

“We’ve gotta deal with this misinformation. There are hurricane force winds of mis- and disinformation… We'll have to address that as well.”

Newsom is… pic.twitter.com/sbzb9KXjb2

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) January 10, 2025

All of the destruction in LA and their Governor is worried about Trump. TDS has absolutely broken people

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They have the big tankers working now hopefully they can get a handle on this disaster

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where were these planes the last 3 days?

Newsome knows this will hurt his chances in 2028 and is going to deflect in any way he can. If this gets hung around his neck, he is watching his chances go up in smoke, no pun intended.