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It's awful to see. Used to be stationed at 29 Palms and then contractor in SoCal afterwards and it truly is a seasonal thing. It's one of those things you really have to see in person to truly grasp how powerful and devastating these fires can be.

Yeah yeah, dumb commiefornians have it coming and all that rhetoric this board thrives on. Still f'ing sucks to see so many homes and life works being swept away in minutes.

ETA: We have our own issues here in Texas too of course. Not discounting those. Last year's Panhandle fires...ugh. And I swear Bastrop is on fire more often than not.

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I have talked to a forestry guy that says the Westlake area of Austin in ripe for a devastating fire if the conditions were right.

Really agree with the bolded above.

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Not just Westlake, but many MANY neighborhoods in Austin too...Tarrytown, Northwest Hills, Rosedale, Northloop.... All heavily wooded with tons of homes nestled into the hills. Unfortunately it's not an 'if it happens' as much as it's a 'when in happens'.

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annie88 said:

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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Uhhh…the smog test for the Oregon fire trucks is fake news and has been debunked by the Oregon Fire Marshall's office, among others.

@OSFM on X if you'd like to read their release.

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This lying ***** and her lying network need to be sued.

But seriously. UNREAL!

This is 100% on Democrats and Newsom.

NEW: MSNBC's Jen Psaki does a deep dive into leadership issues surrounding the California fires, finds that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are largely to blame.

Great work, Jen!

Musk, who left California years ago, and Trump, who has condemned CA leadership for years, are the real… pic.twitter.com/SYOmyGxSLX

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 12, 2025

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I'm convinced Jen Psaki is a robot. No human can circle back like that!

NEW: Per ICE sources, the man seen in a viral video being subdued by residents & arrested by police w/ a blowtorch near the #KennethFire in West Hills is an illegal alien from Mexico named Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva. He is in custody on a probation violation & has NOT been charged…

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) January 13, 2025

It looks like the blowtorch guy is an illegal. I'm not surprised. This is what the democrats are trying to cover up.

It's not forest, it's chapparal. So there's no forest floor just a bunch of dense shrubbery.

Trump's tweets are from 2019. They aren't about the current fires.

Who?mikejones! said:

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GOOD NEWS ALERT! Man who lost home in the Palisades Fire discovers his dog 'Oreo' is ALIVE after spending 5 nights in the rubblepic.twitter.com/iWr1rXJ41R

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) January 12, 2025

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That dog's neither black nor white!

TAMU1990 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

pic.twitter.com/voGqy46kmv

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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Yeah, basically letting decades of flammable material build up on the forest floor is asking for the most devastating fires to happen !!

My question is would goats eat the Chapparal/Scrub? They need to keep this under control some way. Especially in those hills and canyons

Feral goats? That's a lotta fence to build. (But yeah, goats would control it up to the height they can reach.)

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Feral goats? That's a lotta fence to build. (But yeah, goats would control it up to the height they can reach.)

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I think they have goat fence panels now that can be moved as locations are chewed up?

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That's not bad Trump at all.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Once again, Trump is right. You're the one that seems to be confused.

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Then please explain in detail with your vast prescribed burn and rangeland knowledge what "forest floor" he's babbling about with these fires in LA? There is no "forest".

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annie88 said:

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This lying ***** and her lying network need to be sued.

But seriously. UNREAL!

This is 100% on Democrats and Newsom.

NEW: MSNBC's Jen Psaki does a deep dive into leadership issues surrounding the California fires, finds that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are largely to blame.

Great work, Jen!

Musk, who left California years ago, and Trump, who has condemned CA leadership for years, are the real… pic.twitter.com/SYOmyGxSLX

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 12, 2025

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I'm convinced Jen Psaki is a robot. No human can circle back like that!

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Conspiracy theorist!?! Mel Gibson literally just lost his home in these fires! You dumb *****.

BoerneGator said:

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Feral goats? That's a lotta fence to build. (But yeah, goats would control it up to the height they can reach.)

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What about hogs? I've seen a pig go through bone like butter....

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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That's not bad Trump at all.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Once again, Trump is right. You're the one that seems to be confused.

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Then please explain in detail what "forest floor" he's babbling about with these fires in LA? There is no "forest".

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The tweets are from 2019. They aren't about the current fires.

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Then why the $&#@ was this quoted now? These aren't even remotely the same types of fires as in 2019 in N California.

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BoerneGator said:

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Feral goats? That's a lotta fence to build. (But yeah, goats would control it up to the height they can reach.)

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I think they have goat fence panels now that can be moved as locations are chewed up?

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No doubt, but that's not a practical application, as that method would take too long to remove the existing growth, doing it piecemeal as such. Plus the terrain presents another set of problems. Goats can get out (and under) the smallest of cracks and openings. It's very difficult to "goat proof" a fence, and then you have predation. Not to mention how much Mexicans love them some cabrito. You think the Haitian dog/cat problem is bad, just wait till the Hollywood Hills are crawling with goats!

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

pic.twitter.com/voGqy46kmv

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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It is but 83 just wants to attack Trump even though once again, Trump is right.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

pic.twitter.com/voGqy46kmv

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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Yeah, basically letting decades of flammable material build up on the forest floor is asking for the most devastating fires to happen !!

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I am pretty sure that video would be of Northern CA and not the issue with Southern CA fires. Again South CA gets seasonal rains, the vegetation grows very fast & thick, it holds the hills in place, then the rain stops for several months making the vegetation and everything else combustible very dry. Then the Santa Anna winds hit and Boom its fire season. When everything is that dry and the wind that high it doesn't matter if the fire starts in the brush and spreads to structures or starts in a structure and spreads to brush….it just keeps jumping from one fuel source to the next.

i cant recall what year it was but one of the big N Cally fires had an incident where crew on the ground started a big back burn that should have killed the Big fire but aerial bombers put it out. cost a lot of extra acres burned and a big blame game.

Maybe we should gift them some Aoudads . Don't know if they would eat the chaparral though.

B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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That's not bad Trump at all.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Once again, Trump is right. You're the one that seems to be confused.

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Then please explain in detail with your vast prescribed burn and rangeland knowledge what "forest floor" he's babbling about with these fires in LA? There is no "forest".

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It's semantics…the point is they need to do a better job of clearing fuel loads away from these inhabited areas…yes, that means it is an annual effort in areas that grow up brush that then drys out every year…

Yes, I expect it is expensive to do so…

The alternative is to stop living there…

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light_bulb said:

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Calm down, why does this bother you so much?

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TDS

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Yep.. Trump has nothing to with this except that he's been repeatedly telling them to clean their forest but of course they won't. It's a state issue anyway, and if it were federal it would be under Poopy pants watch, but this is not a fed issue so not Poppy pants issue either … bringing Trump into this is pure TDS

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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That's not bad Trump at all.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Once again, Trump is right. You're the one that seems to be confused.

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Then please explain in detail with your vast prescribed burn and rangeland knowledge what "forest floor" he's babbling about with these fires in LA? There is no "forest".

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It's semantics…the point is they need to do a better job of clearing fuel loads away from these inhabited areas…yes, that means it is an annual effort in areas the grow up brush the drys out every year…

Yes, I expect it is expensive to do so…

The alternative is to stop living there…

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As I pointed out in another thread, "clearing those fuel loads" in that country is not nearly the same task as it is in genuinely forested areas. The pictures reveal a landscape that's steep, rocky, and almost inaccessible to do so. To top it all off, today's "fuel loads" is tomorrow's erosion control - we can't go in and spray the brush, and if you've been around sagebrush you know one year of good rains brings it back. I even thought about prescribed burns, but I'll be damned if I want anybody out there to control a Class III or IV burn out my back door in that terrain.

I just don't think bringing that particular tweet back after 5 years is appropriate for this situation. California has some major issues with their public land management when it comes to fire control and suppression, but this situation in LA seems to lie squarely with long term and short term human planning and error. It may not be a case of .stop living there" as much as "rebuild with the concept of fires in mind next time".

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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annie88 said:

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

pic.twitter.com/voGqy46kmv

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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It is but 83 just wants to attack Trump even though once again, Trump is right.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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You are ****ing insufferable.

How about we just say "dried **** on the ground that can catch on fire".

Satisfied?

****.

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Exactly how do you plan to do that on those rocky slopes with thick sagebrush that are almost inaccessible, genius?