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What's keeping them from tapping into and using larger sources like say THE PACIFIC OCEAN?

Pretty sure salt water fights fires just as well as pool and pond water.

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What I've seen over the years with these large fires is that the fire fighters aren't actively trying to put out the fire with water or ******ant rather they try to contain by getting ahead of the fire and let the fire burn to the line of break. But mostly they let it burn. I could be totally talking out of my ass as I'm not a fire fighter nor have any understanding of how and what they do.

Anyone seen pictures of the devastation since daylight?

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I havent followed this closely enough, but has anyone said the causes or possible causes?

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Blackrock

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"They"

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"Someone did something"

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Ag_07 said:

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What's keeping them from tapping into and using larger sources like say THE PACIFIC OCEAN?

Pretty sure salt water fights fires just as well as pool and pond water.

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What I've seen over the years with these large fires is that the fire fighters aren't actively trying to put out the fire with water or ******ant rather they try to contain by getting ahead of the fire and let the fire burn to the line of break. But mostly they let it burn. I could be totally talking out of my ass as I'm not a fire fighter nor have any understanding of how and what they do.

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Some large fire fighting aircraft scoop water from the ocean

https://aerocorner.com/blog/firefighting-airplanes/

Yeah that's one strategy but I've seen helicopters and airplanes that can dip into large bodies of water and dump water either on the fire itself or structures in the path to prevent total loss.

Now the winds may have a lot to do with that since earlier all aircraft was grounded.

I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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What I've seen over the years with these large fires is that the fire fighters aren't actively trying to put out the fire with water or ******ant rather they try to contain by getting ahead of the fire and let the fire burn to the line of break. But mostly they let it burn. I could be totally talking out of my ass as I'm not a fire fighter nor have any understanding of how and what they do.

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First and foremost, they check for people to get them away safe. If structures are too far gone, yes they will try to establish a perimeter to prevent flashovers to nearby buildings. But in high wind conditions, that is very difficult to do effectively. In these conditions, as reported, damn near impossible for the boots on the ground.

Unfortunately, that also means firefighting from above is limited as well. Fires like this generate their own heat drafts and turbulence for fixed wing tankers. Add in high winds, makes for one very bumpy and unpredictable flight. Limited visibility from thick smoke. Throw in canyons and mountains? Angles of attack from the air become even more difficult.

Right now the worst of all conditions combined, perfect firestorm, so to speak.

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Yeah that's one strategy but I've seen helicopters and airplanes that can dip into large bodies of water and dump water either on the fire itself or structures in the path to prevent total loss.

Now the winds may have a lot to do with that since earlier all aircraft was grounded.

I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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the pumps need to mive water in lines miles would take forever to set up and by the time they're deployed the fire has already moved too far.

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I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling

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Those rack lines (1 and a half inch diameter) are not unlimited in length. Average is 150 feet. Large diameter hoses up to three hundred feet but can use a diverter from that into three 1 and half inch hoses. Every attachment and length will reduce pressure.

Depends on which equipment each truck is carrying, how much and type of lines on board.

h/t The Hubs.

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I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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This is what my wife and I were discussing last night as we viewed an image of the massive fire raging right next to an extremely large and endless body of water. These fires seem to often happen within a few miles of the coast. I am no engineer or scientist, but you would think that there would be some efficient way to take advantage of that and save property and also give people peace of mind. We can do all sorts of crazy impressive sh**...but you're telling me we can't pump and maybe store water half a mile or less from the ocean to use in the initial hour or so of a fire outbreak?

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We can do all sorts of crazy impressive sh**...but you're telling me we can't pump and maybe store water half a mile or less from the ocean to use in the initial hour or so of a fire outbreak?

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Such as water towers? Sure they could, in theory.

But remember this is a location wherein rain barrels collecting rain run off are considered too unsightly, if visible from the street.

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Yeah that's one strategy but I've seen helicopters and airplanes that can dip into large bodies of water and dump water either on the fire itself or structures in the path to prevent total loss.

Now the winds may have a lot to do with that since earlier all aircraft was grounded.

I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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the pumps need to mive water in lines miles would take forever to set up and by the time they're deployed the fire has already moved too far.

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Bet you in the next 20 years there is some type of system in place to utilize the vast body of water across PCH from these types of fires there and in Laguna etc. If they are smart, they will figure something out.

If we can reach Mars...we can somehow utilize ocean water to put out nearby fires as they start.

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We can reach Mars...we can somehow utilize ocean water to put out nearby fires as they start.

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Need a buttload of infrastructure.

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Yeah that's one strategy but I've seen helicopters and airplanes that can dip into large bodies of water and dump water either on the fire itself or structures in the path to prevent total loss.

Now the winds may have a lot to do with that since earlier all aircraft was grounded.

I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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the pumps need to mive water in lines miles would take forever to set up and by the time they're deployed the fire has already moved too far.

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Bet you in the next 20 years there is some type of system in place to utilize the vast body of water across PCH from these types of fires there and in Laguna etc. If they are smart, they will figure something out.

If we can reach Mars...we can somehow utilize ocean water to put out nearby fires as they start.

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I just dont see CA spending a dime on something like this. Is it the right or a possible solution? Absolutely. But CA is too far gone to do the right thing, IMO. They are more concerned with much less important things.

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I just dont see CA spending a dime on something like this. Is it the right or a possible solution? Absolutely. But CA is too far gone to do the right thing, IMO. They are more concerned with much less important things.

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Not to mention they are broke and just lost a crap ton of revenue from taxes and sales taxes going forward for many years.

No argument here. Especially with wanting to pay for reparations and other money grab programs. The math will never math.

Biden was quick to travel to LA today, at a press conference now.

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I just dont see CA spending a dime on something like this. Is it the right or a possible solution? Absolutely. But CA is too far gone to do the right thing, IMO. They are more concerned with much less important things.

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Not to mention they are broke and just lost a crap ton of revenue from taxes and sales taxes going forward for many years.

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Well a bunch of multimillionaires fleeing in even bigger droves will surely help solve their revenue crisis! Such a beautiful place, run by such stupid people.

why is Biden there? why is he commenting on anything? they gave him a briefing, then his follow up comments came from notes that had already been prepared. what a fraud of an administration.

A friend in LA just took this video pic.twitter.com/WJBWCHmCUs

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 8, 2025

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Biden was quick to travel to LA today, at a press conference now.

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He was already there. Came in before the fires started.

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Thanks for the info.

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A friend in LA just took this video pic.twitter.com/WJBWCHmCUs

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 8, 2025

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LA is starting to resemble Detroit.

Democrat rule is bad, mmmmkay?

Wow. LA almost looks like the movie Escape from LA.

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Biden was quick to travel to LA today, at a press conference now.

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He started the fires yesterday. Don't let your kids play with matches.

Cali won't pay for any improvements or infrastructure, that will be you and me (Federal).

I think Cali and NY have lasted so long as democrat hell holes, due to supplemental federal funds every 10 years. Always a crisis to bring in money. I would love to see NYC's income from covid. That got them at least 5-7 more years.

Would love the feds make States pay for some of their mistakes. Shouls make states borrow money from other states, with land, mineral rights, etc. as collateral. Would love to add San Diego area to texas.

is this confirmed?

NEW @thenatpulse: CA, Struggling With Massive Wildfires, Sent 'Surplus' Firefighting Equipment to Ukraine.

The Los Angeles County Fire Department (......

READ ON:https://t.co/Of6gSVj5HH

— Raheem. (@RaheemKassam) January 8, 2025

Here's a story about firefighters in the Bay Area sending equipment. I don't know that it would be anything that would have helped in L.A., considering the conditions there.

https://localnewsmatters.org/2022/08/14/bay-area-fire-agencies-distribute-equipment-to-first-responders-on-front-lines-of-ukraine/

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Yeah that's one strategy but I've seen helicopters and airplanes that can dip into large bodies of water and dump water either on the fire itself or structures in the path to prevent total loss.

Now the winds may have a lot to do with that since earlier all aircraft was grounded.

I would think there's some way to run a long line with pumps and why not to get water from the ocean to areas in need. But yeah I'm just a layman spit balling.

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the pumps need to mive water in lines miles would take forever to set up and by the time they're deployed the fire has already moved too far.

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Bet you in the next 20 years there is some type of system in place to utilize the vast body of water across PCH from these types of fires there and in Laguna etc. If they are smart, they will figure something out.

If we can reach Mars...we can somehow utilize ocean water to put out nearby fires as they start.

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Will someone please think of the smelt?

1. Probably not confirmed
2. Wouldn't help right now anyway

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Would love the feds make States pay for some of their mistakes. Shouls make states borrow money from other states, with land, mineral rights, etc. as collateral. Would love to add San Diego area to texas.

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To your point, there was an intent, had Kamala won somehow, to enable states to declare bankruptcy after decades of profligate spending, and be absolved of their debts (Illinois was first on the list I think, with talk of title 9 being extended to states). This would have hammered the bond market (and of course equities), but thankfully I don't think it will be allowed now.

Part of the Bidenflation spending surge (aka 'inflation reduction act') was to push this further down the road, ideally to a point where the leftists had more censorship/media control.

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is this confirmed?

NEW @thenatpulse: CA, Struggling With Massive Wildfires, Sent 'Surplus' Firefighting Equipment to Ukraine.

The Los Angeles County Fire Department (......

READ ON:https://t.co/Of6gSVj5HH

— Raheem. (@RaheemKassam) January 8, 2025

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Google found a story from three years ago where "The plane carrying that much-needed surplus equipment, such as hoses, nozzles, turnouts, helmets, body armor and other personal protective gear, is expected to take off Friday."

I'd imagine three years later they'd have gotten that stuff restocked.