Cali fires and wind storms

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El Gallo Blanco
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 2:53p, 1/9/25
Who?mikejones! said:
Don't let your wife watch that....
Yankin' and bankin'...old redneck version of swangin' n bangin'.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 2:58p, 1/9/25
Even if the structure survived, the smoke damage would be total.
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3:09p, 1/9/25
Blaming the victim for getting caught in a fire!

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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 3:10p, 1/9/25
Who?mikejones! said:
I have hope for cali if this guy is there

https://instagr.am/p/DAEtH67vdfB

Gonna need lots of yankin' and bankin'


Damn, that's impressive
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 3:12p, 1/9/25
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Who?mikejones! said:
I have hope for cali if this guy is there

https://instagr.am/p/DAEtH67vdfB

Gonna need lots of yankin' and bankin'
The comments on that video are absolute gold!
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In reply to FireAg • 3:13p, 1/9/25
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FireAg said:
JDUB08AG said:
How are these still 0% contained? Is that just a misleading indicator or are these fires literally not stopping their spread?

It's an indication that fire crews are unable to establish a control line which will contain the fire (fire gets to the control line, but the line is designed/cut so as to not allow the fire to spread beyond that perimeter)…

In other words, they are simply unable to set up any control line perimeters at this time time that the fire can burn up to, but not beyond…


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3:19p, 1/9/25
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Opening scene from Spielsberg's movie Always.



Go to the one minute 30 second mark.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 3:19p, 1/9/25
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It's almost impossible to establish a fire line with the amount of wind. Even is the could stop the head of the fire, the amount of spot fires jumping the line would be overwhelming.
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3:20p, 1/9/25
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/karen-bass-2021-tweet-comes-back-haunt-her-la-residents-demand-accountability

Karen Bass has full local level governing authority in Los Angeles. She is in charge of local emergency services.

Ted Cruz is a US Senator who has no governing authority in Texas other than deciding who the federal US attorneys will be for the state when there is a new President. US Senators have no governing authority at the state level. US Senators are federal office holders selected at the state level. US Senators are your representative in the US Senate. They represent your voice in the upper chamber of congress at the federal level.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 3:22p, 1/9/25
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El Gallo Blanco said:
Raiderjay said:
Palisades.....

Holy crap, that is jaw dropping. I mentioned this yesterday, but imagine being one of the very few remaining homes who made it unscathed in an area like that. Even if there was ZERO damage...would you even want to live there anymore? I can't think of a more depressing hellscape to have to live in. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those remaining homes are $15-20+ Million. What could you even sell for in the coming years...there will be no new homes or luch vegetation for YEARS, if at all.

Just awful...and I am sure it is even more disturbing at the ground level. Can't imagine.


Yeah…the videos I've seen from the ground level are disturbing. This sh*t is heartbreaking…I feel for the people in LA. I know this isn't even the worst fire in state history but with this one in such a densely populated area…I'm honestly not sure how the city will recover
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In reply to agclassof08 • 3:26p, 1/9/25
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It's almost impossible to establish a fire line with the amount of wind. Even is the could stop the head of the fire, the amount of spot fires jumping the line would be overwhelming.

100% valid…the hope was winds would die down enough today to get the air support in position to slow down the spread so that ground crews could start to cut their lines…unclear if they have been able to accomplish much today…

From personal experience, I can say that I find the specter of 100 mph winds in a wildfire scenario mind-blowing…

I've been involved in brush fires with 35 mph sustained winds, and those things are no joke…they move fast…like chew up a football field's distance in less than 2 minutes fast…

100 mph wind? I can't even begin to imagine…
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In reply to agclassof08 • 3:31p, 1/9/25
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I have no fire fighting experience whatsoever so this may be completing off base.

It seems to me it'd be extremely hard to establish a fire line in such an developed urban environment. It's not like there's forest everywhere and you can establish a line through the brush. Seems like quite a challenge with the brush mixed in with so many structures that are close together intertwined with the streets and the terrain.
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In reply to Thunderstruck xx • 3:32p, 1/9/25
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Thunderstruck xx said:
Blaming the victim for getting caught in a fire!

It should be fired!
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In reply to Ag_07 • 3:39p, 1/9/25
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Ag_07 said:
I have no fire fighting experience whatsoever so this may be completing off base.

It seems to me it'd be extremely hard to establish a fire line in such an developed urban environment. It's not like there's forest everywhere and you can establish a line through the brush. Seems like quite a challenge with the brush mixed in with so many structures that are close together intertwined with the streets and the terrain.


In these situations, you typically try to use a feature that already exists geographically to help establish your perimeter and cut out from there…roads/highways and bodies of water are nice starting points…

In highly urban areas, it's very difficult because the condensed fuel load is so much greater than it would be in open space wild land…houses, vehicles, and all of their content merely add to the fuel load and increase the likelihood of that fuel jumping lines…and of course winds are a huge factor in this as well…

What sucks about highly rural areas is that once you do establish a line, that's the line you try to defend…

Anything between your line and the fire head though…that belongs to the fire…

So you may cut a line that is well beyond the area burning, but you don't typically fight your way back to the fire head…you let it come to you, and in urban areas, that means unburned structures in that area between the defense line and the fire head are as good as lost…
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3:39p, 1/9/25
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In reply to Gig em G • 3:42p, 1/9/25
Gig em G said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
Raiderjay said:
Palisades.....

Holy crap, that is jaw dropping. I mentioned this yesterday, but imagine being one of the very few remaining homes who made it unscathed in an area like that. Even if there was ZERO damage...would you even want to live there anymore? I can't think of a more depressing hellscape to have to live in. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those remaining homes are $15-20+ Million. What could you even sell for in the coming years...there will be no new homes or luch vegetation for YEARS, if at all.

Just awful...and I am sure it is even more disturbing at the ground level. Can't imagine.


Yeah…the videos I've seen from the ground level are disturbing. This sh*t is heartbreaking…I feel for the people in LA. I know this isn't even the worst fire in state history but with this one in such a densely populated area…I'm honestly not sure how the city will recover
Maybe it shouldnt
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In reply to FireAg • 3:42p, 1/9/25
Yeah the time that the fire takes to get to the line is typically better spent widening or extending the line rather than fighting back from my understanding. I'll defer to expertise.
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In reply to Red Fishing Ag93 • 3:45p, 1/9/25
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Red Fishing Ag93 said:
Thunderstruck xx said:
Blaming the victim for getting caught in a fire!

It should be fired!
The lefties on this site will defend it saying it is highly qualified
There is no fixing this lunacy.
If a city on fire isn't enough, i don't know what will be.
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In reply to FireAg • 3:47p, 1/9/25
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Interesting

Good stuff. Thanks for the input
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In reply to deddog • 3:49p, 1/9/25
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What makes it even harder to fix is that California takes 100 days to count votes in elections.
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In reply to aezmvp • 3:50p, 1/9/25
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aezmvp said:
Yeah the time that the fire takes to get to the line is typically better spent widening or extending the line rather than fighting back from my understanding. I'll defer to expertise.

That's the textbook tactic…

Now in highly urban areas (and I am stepping beyond my level expertise because my wildfire experiences are limited to rural areas in/around Travis County), I would surmise that since there is no real "bare land" to work with to help widen your defense line, it's nearly impossible until the fire breaks out of an urban area and out in the open where you have ground to work with…it's not like you can start bulldozing neighborhoods, street by street, to build a defense barrier…no time and not practical…

What I'm seeing in these highly urban LA areas makes me think about the Great Chicago Fire of 1871…a bunch of densely-constructed buildings back to back to back with no break from which to set up a defense…
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In reply to captkirk • 3:50p, 1/9/25
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captkirk said:


Wow.
One day at a time.
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In reply to Gig em G • 3:51p, 1/9/25
Gig em G said:
El Gallo Blanco said:
Raiderjay said:
Palisades.....

Holy crap, that is jaw dropping. I mentioned this yesterday, but imagine being one of the very few remaining homes who made it unscathed in an area like that. Even if there was ZERO damage...would you even want to live there anymore? I can't think of a more depressing hellscape to have to live in. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those remaining homes are $15-20+ Million. What could you even sell for in the coming years...there will be no new homes or luch vegetation for YEARS, if at all.

Just awful...and I am sure it is even more disturbing at the ground level. Can't imagine.


Yeah…the videos I've seen from the ground level are disturbing. This sh*t is heartbreaking…I feel for the people in LA. I know this isn't even the worst fire in state history but with this one in such a densely populated area…I'm honestly not sure how the city will recover


The fire is not over and can certainly burn more of the city of Los Angeles, but go into Google Maps and search for Los Angeles. The map will show you the city limits and where the current fires are. It's a big city with lots of land area and even if the fire area increase some, it's really a small area of the city.
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3:53p, 1/9/25
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The best defense to these wildfires is not what one can do once the fire gets going…it's what should've been done before the first spark…

I can't stress enough how bad human beings are about clearing brush and overgrowth from fire-prone areas…

The focus should be clearing brush and overgrowth out before it has a chance to ignite…
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3:57p, 1/9/25
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Watching the POTUS and VP brief on the CA wildfires from the White House on TV right now. Is she the new CA Wildfire Czar, and what can we expect from her seeing that she was once the Boarder Czar?
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3:57p, 1/9/25
Watching Mr. poopy pants and Miz kneepads on this White House news conference.

So couple of things.

California sh****ts the bed and now I and the rest of you taxpayers are going to pay millions/billions per Mr. poopy pants. FJB!

Secondly, in 11 glorious days, I never have to hear Mr. poopy pants or Ms kneepads voice again!
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In reply to aginlakeway • 3:59p, 1/9/25
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aginlakeway said:
captkirk said:


Wow.


Not a lie. No firefighters told him.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 3:59p, 1/9/25
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aginlakeway said:
captkirk said:


Wow.


Obv how that news anchor votes. What a pos
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4:01p, 1/9/25
Paul Joseph Watson always nails it !!


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In reply to FireAg • 4:04p, 1/9/25
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At add to this. You typically have to rely on low wind and high relative humidity to assist with a fire this size. It slows fire growth and doesn't allow embers to go hundreds of yards ahead of the fire break, be it natural or cut by the crews. They had an RH of 6% with 40 mph winds at one point. . Every paid firefighter in the country could have been there and this still gets out of hand. You can't catch it from the burnt side because it moving so fast. You can't cut a line due to dense forest and urban sprawl. At this point, weather is the only thing that going to stop it in my opinion.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 4:04p, 1/9/25
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zgolfz85 said:
aginlakeway said:
captkirk said:


Wow.


Obv how that news anchor votes. What a pos
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In reply to agclassof08 • 4:08p, 1/9/25
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agclassof08 said:
At add to this. You typically have to rely on low wind and high relative humidity to assist with a fire this size. It slows fire growth and doesn't allow embers to go hundreds of yards ahead of the fire break, be it natural or cut by the crews. They had an RH of 6% with 40 mph winds at one point. . Every paid firefighter in the country could have been there and this still gets out of hand. You can't catch it from the burnt side because it moving so fast. You can't cut a line due to dense forest and urban sprawl. At this point, weather is the only thing that going to stop it in my opinion.

I cannot disagree with any point you're making…spot on…

It sucks…

As I stated earlier…the best firefighting technique for this type of situation would have been a concentrated effort to remove fuel load in the area…
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In reply to TheWoodlandsTxAg • 4:15p, 1/9/25
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TheWoodlandsTxAg said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/karen-bass-2021-tweet-comes-back-haunt-her-la-residents-demand-accountability

Karen Bass has full local level governing authority in Los Angeles. She is in charge of local emergency services.

Ted Cruz is a US Senator who has no governing authority in Texas other than deciding who the federal US attorneys will be for the state when there is a new President. US Senators have no governing authority at the state level. US Senators are federal office holders selected at the state level. US Senators are your representative in the US Senate. They represent your voice in the upper chamber of congress at the federal level.
He got the freezing event to be declared a natural disaster. What did everyone you expect Ted to do? Stand outside a natural gas pumping station and thaw it out with a hairdryer?
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
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4:18p, 1/9/25
OMG watching PeePaw and Kneecaps on this WH conf call is painful...She is doing a lot of head nodding and taking "copious" notes....he is talking to people on the screen who are sitting right next to him....

what a gathering of complete incompetence.....
I own rent free space in TPS's head....
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