I see "LA2.0" is trending on X this am, based on Gavin's comments this weekend. Apparently, the next iteration of LA they are scheming toward will have less single family zoning, more apartments etc.

Yes! NO re-zoning of single family to apartments in fire areas.

That’s obviously what @GavinNewsom and Wall Street backed developers who own him want. It’s their dream. And it’s what he means when he says his team has been “re-imagining LA 2.0”.

LA 2.0 is Newsom/Bass-free LA. https://t.co/XIvarDOEmv

— Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD (@houmanhemmati) January 12, 2025

Dem Rahm Emanuel's words come to mind: 'Never let a crisis go to waste.'

Question - i just read an article that the cause of the fire could have been left over NYE fireworks?

Are buying and shooting fireworks in California legal? I know it usually is controlled by county or City, but with such a tremendous high risk for fires, why do they even allow fireworks anywhere in California?

Crown fires in the sage seem to be the culprit. How the heck do you stop that short of killing all the sage and causing more problems? That ecosystem appears to be the hardest part of the equation to consistently control here, and it just seems that more practical efforts in building and nearby fire suppression methods are far more obtainable and maintainable solutions.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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You are ****ing insufferable.

How about we just say "dried **** on the ground that can catch on fire".

Satisfied?

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Exactly how do you plan to do that on those rocky slopes with thick sagebrush that are almost inaccessible, genius?

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You openly admit that JamesPShelley is a genius, yet you still argue with him !!!

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FWIW, they don't have to clear all of it. They just need to establish breaks and proscribed burn areas and keep breaks clear and burn areas proactively when conditions and plans will keep burns controllable. If brush areas could and would burn anyways, might as well do it under selected and controlled conditions preemptively.

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I agree, there are ways to help out the situation, Dumb Californians aren't doing anything.. plus they didn't even secure their water supplies…. This all stinks of systemic let downs and failures and then letting all this happen in a Fire storm… just too many things lining up that we're not being done - Oh well screw those bunch of idiot dummies.. go save a polar bear and let your houses burn to dust Californians

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Question - i just read an article that the cause of the fire could have been left over NYE fireworks?

Are buying and shooting fireworks in California legal? I know it usually is controlled by county or City, but with such a tremendous high risk for fires, why do they even allow fireworks anywhere in California?

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Fireworks are illegal in Los Angeles but, ever since the California Covid lockdowns started, home fireworks have been out of control.

I guess people figured that if you're not going to let us celebrate, we're going to do it anyway.

There are some videos out there of fireworks in the late 2010s but the complete lack of law enforcement after the death of St Floyd means it's just completely out of hand now.

After the Dodgers won the World Series this season, there were all kinds of people blowing up fireworks in the streets.

Here's a video of the 4th of July 2020

#Fireworks are illegal in LA but you wouldnt know it looking at this 8:44 and they are going off... @CBSLA #July4th pic.twitter.com/QxXEpi0pbJ

— Sara Donchey (@SaraDonchey) July 5, 2020

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FWIW, they don't have to clear all of it. They just need to establish breaks and proscribed burn areas and keep breaks clear and burn areas proactively when conditions and plans will keep burns controllable. If brush areas could and would burn anyways, might as well do it under selected and controlled conditions preemptively.

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9 times out of 10 Im right there with you on the controlled burns, God knows I've toted a drip torch over 10s of thousands of acres over the years. I might post some articles later today, and ignoring their climate change and environmentalist nonsense, they give some good insight on the chaparral ecosystems and fire ecology. It really is a different cat, and combined with some of California's own stupid air quality rules it is darned tough to implement.

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Crown fires in the sage seem to be the culprit. How the heck do you stop that short of killing all the sage and causing more problems? That ecosystem appears to be the hardest part of the equation to consistently control here, and it just seems that more practical efforts in building and nearby fire suppression methods are far more obtainable and maintainable solutions.

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Crown fires in the sage brush??? .

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Crown fires in the sage seem to be the culprit. How the heck do you stop that short of killing all the sage and causing more problems? That ecosystem appears to be the hardest part of the equation to consistently control here, and it just seems that more practical efforts in building and nearby fire suppression methods are far more obtainable and maintainable solutions.

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Crown fires in the sage brush??? Geezus now this discussion is going more than ridiculous and has officially useless when people start pulling crap out of their backsides and acting like it's anywhere close to factual. Denying there no forest problem because of their TDS is one thing but now it's just a clown show.

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You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. In 50 mph+ winds, fire is most certainly laying over ripping from bush to bush. It's not creeping along the ground. What did they teach you to call it in burn school?

"A "crown fire in sagebrush" refers to a wildfire situation where a fire spreads rapidly through a sagebrush ecosystem, reaching the tops of the sagebrush plants and burning the foliage canopy, creating a continuous wall of flames that moves across the landscape, similar to how a crown fire would spread through a forest canopy; this typically occurs under dry conditions with strong winds, making it a highly destructive fire type in sagebrush habitats"

I could see it. It's just a very low crown of a few feet tall brush versus the grass underneath. When you don't have trees, the brush becomes the crown layer. I don't see why it wouldn't work the same in a wind.

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

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— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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You are ****ing insufferable.

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Exactly how do you plan to do that on those rocky slopes with thick sagebrush that are almost inaccessible, genius?

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I don't know... maybe plant vegetation or rebuild. I'm not a biologist.

However, I can describe what is a woman, and without using the word "woman".

I'm far from genius. Now... Gene Simmons...he is genius.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off so harsh there, but a good chunk of this area is just thick,steep sagebrush and other scrub that carries flames like kerosene once it gets going in a wind. Taming it like it was the Sam Houston National Forest just isn't practical. I'm far more inclined to favor containing it with green belts, fire lines, different construction and landscaping……things we can more easily and practically control.

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They didn't do it after that big fire in the 60's.

I'll hang up & listen.

Welcome to 2025. I suspect there will be a bit more pressure 60 years later.

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What you're advocating for isn't wrong…

With that said, because those things didn't exist leading up to this event, I'm saying they should have been more proactive in other aspects (water management and continuous fuel load control, for starters) of fire prevention…

That's where the failure is, in my mind…

Yes, these areas were built upon and populated in ways that made them more difficult to defend from fires…

However, since we've known that was the case for some time, then the fact that other preventative measures that could have been implemented were ignored, still makes the mismanagement of the things leading up to this incident egregious…

And then now going back to the point that was being made in a tweet that is now 5 years old, while not specifically accurate in detail for this incident, still has merit as it relates to the overall theme of gross negligence when it comes to prevention tactics…

Now we are getting to the crux of problem. Instead of droning on and on about crown fires, which is just describing how fire spreads, that's reactionary behavior, it's too late once the fire has started, to start crowing about answers.

The problem is and always has been management. The fish rots from the head down. Year after year we watch the same scenario happen every year and the same result happens and the same people in charge come up with excuses and blame and then ask for money and then do nothing different. Definition of insanity applies here.

Then the resident "expert" says this is their wake-up call? 2025 will be different??? BULLISH**!! In 2019 Trump walked through devastated areas from the fires with Newsome and Jerry Brown and other California politicians pointing out issues to them and offering prevention going forward and they did nothing ZERO.

PORED more money into a worthless speed train to nowhere and cut budgets that DIRECTLY affected what went on here and not one person is held accountable for it. Bass is an imbecile idiot who has one plan, spread her communist ideology. Most of these fires are actually not in her jurisdiction but she's a soft target and expendable. The crux of the issue is out of Sacramento and allowing climate radicals to rule over common sense and proven work.

First thing this morning the crows are crowing if Trump deports illegal invaders how will we rebuild? Not stop draining natural reservoirs to enable development. Not stop diverting snow melts to the pacific and keeping reservoirs full at the peak of fire season. Santa Anna winds have been around longer than mankind and they are predictable. This is 100% management and to think they are going to change their ideology THIS TIME is absurd. Time to change management and put serious people in charge.


Raw footage without the pundits propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/live/G_ItgIjQuTk?si=abERS0i4QFejJpGG

2022 Mayoral candidate Caruso saved his property:

It's telling that Rick Caruso saved Palisades Village Mall while Mayor Karen Bass was abroad.

Most of Palisades and Malibu voted for Karen, showing how influenced they are by media narratives against alternative options.

— WhatDidYouSay (@NoFilterMeSorry) January 12, 2025

Of course that pisses off the native commies to no end:

It's telling that Rick Caruso saved Palisades Village Mall while Mayor Karen Bass was abroad.

Most of Palisades and Malibu voted for Karen, showing how influenced they are by media narratives against alternative options.

— WhatDidYouSay (@NoFilterMeSorry) January 12, 2025

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I don't understand the fuss. Was Caruso supposed to rely on the "authorities"? We saw how that worked out for so many people. Was he supposed to stand around and watch his property burn just to virtue signal when he knew he had better options? It doesn't appear that he took any city or county firefighters off the scene or interrupted their operations. Lastly, he wasn't just saving his own house at the expense of other people, he was saving one of the premiere locations in Pacific Palisadesa place that benefits all residents.

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Hmmm

The media accidentally reported it on the local news a month ago here in California. pic.twitter.com/oVE3IhOrmA

— LilRascal (@rascal113646) January 12, 2025

I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

This guy has been a good resource for accurate information on the wildfires trying to eliminate some of the political noise. He's been on crews fighting wildfires for over a decade.

Here is his latest podcast on the origin of the fires. He recaps much of a recent WaPo article. Essentially, the power lines by the area it started haven't been used for 5 years so likely isn't the origin of the fire. His leading theory is there was an 8 acre fire around new years that they thought was contained.

Below is a link to a recent podcasts on some myths from the wildfires.

https://thehotshotwakeup.substack.com/p/california-wildfire-update-debunking

I don't know that Im buying the saltwater excuse.

• This is an emergency
• They won't be running constant saltwater forever in those machines
• Saltwater can be rinsed out of the system when the time comes.
• The little damage is well worth it

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Crown fires in the sage seem to be the culprit. How the heck do you stop that short of killing all the sage and causing more problems? That ecosystem appears to be the hardest part of the equation to consistently control here, and it just seems that more practical efforts in building and nearby fire suppression methods are far more obtainable and maintainable solutions.

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I'm honestly kind of surprised that they don't incorporate some type of smart aerial/satellite imagery that can detect coastal fires as they break out, and alert local fired depts immediately, in hopes of battling a fire as it is an acre or less, vs 20+ acres.

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Question - i just read an article that the cause of the fire could have been left over NYE fireworks?

Are buying and shooting fireworks in California legal? I know it usually is controlled by county or City, but with such a tremendous high risk for fires, why do they even allow fireworks anywhere in California?

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Fireworks are illegal in Los Angeles but, ever since the California Covid lockdowns started, home fireworks have been out of control.

I guess people figured that if you're not going to let us celebrate, we're going to do it anyway.

There are some videos out there of fireworks in the late 2010s but the complete lack of law enforcement after the death of St Floyd means it's just completely out of hand now.

After the Dodgers won the World Series this season, there were all kinds of people blowing up fireworks in the streets.

Here's a video of the 4th of July 2020

#Fireworks are illegal in LA but you wouldnt know it looking at this 8:44 and they are going off... @CBSLA #July4th pic.twitter.com/QxXEpi0pbJ

— Sara Donchey (@SaraDonchey) July 5, 2020

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Pretty cool, but the homies in San Antonio might have them beat…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DERgKr2Rm19/?igsh=MTUxNTBtYnBvMHBuZQ==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DER3tENu_st/?igsh=MXd0aTl3enJkd3U1NA==

Dangit, does anyone else have trouble posting Instagram links on here?

Reply toolbar to the right of the blue twitter bird will embed.

Did they have to remind people not to shoot guns up into the air for NYE again? I feel like they need to be reminded pretty much every year that what goes up comes back down.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?