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In reply to annie88 • 5:36p, 1/13/25
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I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring.

FFS. It's not like these fires don't happen every damn year for DECADES. Of course they have time and labor to do it.

This isn't like a tornado or a hurricane that just comes up out of nowhere and they don't expect it. Are you serious?

I mean, they've had time to paint the fire hydrants in rainbow colors, push DEI programs, pay and reward illegals and cater to non-existent climate change. And they've certainly had time to bash Trump for problems the Democrats themselves caused.


Me and a bud got paid $50 each back in'79 to clear several acres of tall grasses above, below and around our church in Thousand Oaks, Ca, near where the palisades fires is heading today. We had gas powered weed whackers and that's it. It was a lot of work, but very doable.
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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….
what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step
where, I'd like to see some examples?
When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.


not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated
If I remember correctly ...

A prescribed burn, conducted by the BLM, was the cause of a substantial fire in New Mexico a few years ago.


You would be correct. Burned a lot of ground including my parent's place. Idiot that insisted on the burn despite strong urges to the contrary was promoted to DC.


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In reply to Sid Farkas • 6:08p, 1/13/25
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annie88 said:
I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring.

FFS. It's not like these fires don't happen every damn year for DECADES. Of course they have time and labor to do it.

This isn't like a tornado or a hurricane that just comes up out of nowhere and they don't expect it. Are you serious?

I mean, they've had time to paint the fire hydrants in rainbow colors, push DEI programs, pay and reward illegals and cater to non-existent climate change. And they've certainly had time to bash Trump for problems the Democrats themselves caused.


Me and a bud got paid $50 each back in'79 to clear several acres of tall grasses above, below and around our church in Thousand Oaks, Ca, near where the palisades fires is heading today. We had gas powered weed whackers and that's it. It was a lot of work, but very doable.
Whack away…….and haul it off.

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It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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Good editorial by Tom McClintock in the WSJ today.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bad-policy-served-as-kindling-for-californias-wildfires-forest-water-management-social-justice-c5b94a4f

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When Juan Cabrillo dropped anchor in what is now Los Angeles's San Pedro Bay in the autumn of 1542, he promptly named it the Bay of Smokes. Annual wildfires fanned by Santa Ana winds are nothing new in Southern California. This is how nature gardens. She doesn't care whose lives are destroyed, whose homes are burned, or how long it takes to reclaim the scarred land.

We mortals do. Throughout most of the 20th century, we took measures to minimize the frequency and severity of wildfires. We created land-management agencies to do some of the gardening ourselves. We removed excess timber, creating resilient, fire-resistant forests, thriving mountain economies and a lucrative source of public revenue. We leased public lands to sheep and cattle ranchers whose stock kept brush from building up. We established competent infrastructure to stop fires from getting out of control. We cut firebreaks into the soil to contain flames.
Then the environmentalist whackos screwed it all up.
This says it all. These fires were completely forseeable and preventabe with proper planning, common sense, and leadership that was actually interested in solving potential problems instead of pandering to the environmental lobby.

You'll never get any of that from a Democrat. While I feel bad for those who have lost their homes, it is a disaster of their own making.
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In reply to TX_COWDOC • 6:37p, 1/13/25
Horrible.

I am sorry for your family's loss.
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My hatred? I voted for him, but I also understand that this is F16 and pointing out anything stupid he says is immediately met with "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! TDS! You hate Trump!"
You were calling him an idiot for making these statements that are completely what should've been done, then you attacked anyone that disagreed with you making nonsensical arguments.

Get over yourself.
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8:55p, 1/13/25
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Stay tuned.
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9:11p, 1/13/25
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This entire thread memory holes 1,058,482 acres of burned Texas in early 2024. Yes, it is that hard.

Nature doesn't doesn't give a **** sometimes. See Palisades fire, Harvey, or Helene.
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9:34p, 1/13/25
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Maria Shriver bashing LA Mayor Bass.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/maria-shriver-calls-out-la-mayor-amid-fires-says-city-cannot-go-forward-status-quo
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Maria Shriver calls out LA mayor amid fires, says city 'cannot go forward with the status quo'
Shriver warned that Los Angeles needs to 'prioritize the safety of its citizens, police, fire, schools' as it seeks better leadership
By Alexander Hall Fox News Published January 13, 2025 9:30pm EST

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In reply to RangerRick9211 • 9:40p, 1/13/25
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This entire thread memory holes 1,058,482 acres of burned Texas in early 2024. Yes, it is that hard.

Nature doesn't doesn't give a **** sometimes. See Palisades fire, Harvey, or Helene.
Agree that it is hard, especially when the fire department budget was slashed, the reservoirs drained, additional recommended reservoirs not built, the fire hydrants had no water supply. Only a partial list of the failures of the state of California.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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10:31p, 1/13/25
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This a great example of the Swiss cheese model utilized in health and safety.

Every defense layer has a hole and when all the holes line up an incident occurs.

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In reply to richardag • 10:35p, 1/13/25
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RangerRick9211 said:
This entire thread memory holes 1,058,482 acres of burned Texas in early 2024. Yes, it is that hard.

Nature doesn't doesn't give a **** sometimes. See Palisades fire, Harvey, or Helene.
Agree that it is hard, especially when the fire department budget was slashed, the reservoirs drained, additional recommended reservoirs not built, the fire hydrants had no water supply. Only a partial list of the failures of the state of California.
Yeah this whole,thing about water reservoirs and other resources not containing water is what bothers me, if you do everything you can to prepare for a fire like this and it beats you, then it is what it is. If you just watch from the sidelines while the reservoirs are empty and the hydrants have no water then shame on you…
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11:13p, 1/13/25
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Zeke's new video, explaining about percent containment and talking prescribed fire.

(there's a minute where you can't hear him over the video he's playing. He corrects it)

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5:27a, 1/14/25
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Peepaw and Kamala had a briefing yesterday. The usual clown-world hilarity ensued:

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Giving away a one-time payment of $770 is basically meaningless to anyone who lost their home in the wildfires. That might cover a few nights at a hotel, but that's about it. It certainly won't be useful in actually recovering from the damage.

But let's put that aside because this is a matter of priorities. For context, at the end of December, it was reported that the United States had provided $3.4 billion to pay the salaries of Ukrainian bureaucrats and schoolteachers. Not to buy weapons for soldiers on the front line, not to supply ammunition, but to pay government officials living in the safest parts of the country.

So taxpayers are on the hook to pay the salaries of government officials from another country but American disaster victims are only given a pittance of $770 after losing everything. It's an absurd perversion of priorities that continues to play out in a way that is impossible for the public to ignore.

Patience?
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6:51a, 1/14/25

Three strikes and you're out.....






Any guesses on the gender of the people flying these machines? Hint: If they don't have a *****, we'd be hearing about it more than the fires themselves.





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Peepaw and Kamala had a briefing yesterday. The usual clown-world hilarity ensued:

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Giving away a one-time payment of $770 is basically meaningless to anyone who lost their home in the wildfires. That might cover a few nights at a hotel, but that's about it. It certainly won't be useful in actually recovering from the damage.

But let's put that aside because this is a matter of priorities. For context, at the end of December, it was reported that the United States had provided $3.4 billion to pay the salaries of Ukrainian bureaucrats and schoolteachers. Not to buy weapons for soldiers on the front line, not to supply ammunition, but to pay government officials living in the safest parts of the country.

So taxpayers are on the hook to pay the salaries of government officials from another country but American disaster victims are only given a pittance of $770 after losing everything. It's an absurd perversion of priorities that continues to play out in a way that is impossible for the public to ignore.

Patience?


Patience = being unburdened by what has been
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In reply to Dungeon Crawler Carl • 7:18a, 1/14/25
Yankin' and bankin'
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In reply to Dungeon Crawler Carl • 7:20a, 1/14/25
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Three strikes and you're out.....





Let's hope they get the maximum sentence without any hope for parole. Those who would loot their neighbors in their greatest time of need have no business being a part of our society.
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7:32a, 1/14/25
Gonna be another long day in SoCal. From NOAA:

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***THIS IS A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION (PDS) FOR PORTIONS
OF LOS ANGELES AND VENTURA COUNTIES!***

.A long duration Red Flag Warning remains in effect across much
of Los Angeles and Ventura counties through Wednesday, expanding
into the mountains of San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara counties
by tonight. THERE WILL LIKELY BE DAMAGING WINDS GUSTING BETWEEN
55 AND 70 MPH ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE RED FLAG WARNING AREA FROM
EARLY TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING, LEADING TO THE
PDS RED FLAG WARNING UPGRADE. AREAS IN THE RED FLAG WARNING
(ESPECIALLY DURING THE PDS TIME FRAME) WILL HAVE A HIGH RISK FOR
LARGE FIRES WITH VERY RAPID FIRE SPREAD, EXTREME FIRE BEHAVIOR,
AND LONG RANGE SPOTTING. WHILE DANGEROUS PDS RED FLAG FIRE
WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE LIKELY WITH THIS EVENT EARLY TUESDAY
MORNING INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING, THIS WIND EVENT IS NOT EXPECTED
TO BE AS STRONG AND DESTRUCTIVE AS LAST WEEK'S WINDSTORM. Due to
the more easterly component of the wind, much of Ventura County
will likely have stronger winds than the offshore wind events
this past week.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then note this statement: THIS WIND EVENT IS NOT EXPECTED
TO BE AS STRONG AND DESTRUCTIVE AS LAST WEEK'S WINDSTORM. Due to
the more easterly component of the wind

Granted I'm just a t*rd but that statement doesnt go with use of the words EXTREME in the upstream part of the weather statement. Its either extreme or it isn't- Odd way to word this even if the intent is to reduce panic.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 7:36a, 1/14/25
Who?mikejones! said:
Krombopulos Michael said:

Three strikes and you're out.....
Let's hope they get the maximum sentence without any hope for parole. Those who would loot their neighbors in their greatest time of need have no business being a part of our society.
Na in this case, with those rap sheets, a .22 to the forehead.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 8:30a, 1/14/25
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B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
HollywoodBQ said:
BQ_90 said:
zgolfz85 said:
Monkeypoxfighter said:
I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….
what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step
where, I'd like to see some examples?
When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.


not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated
Can you imagine writing the burn plans for that? All Class IV……all darn sure out of any spec I've ever seen…..and the time frame when weather conditions are right is likely minuscule. And darn sure tough to guarantee it will happen at all. How many times have you written one here and had it sit for a year or more? Now throw in air quality laws around that area. Likely better ways to mitigate it and plan for……..fire. It's coming.
So…they had plans (to replace wooden poles with metal ones) that were stopped to protect this precious plant, based on observations of 'an amateur botanist' (aka some do-gooder who likes flowers).

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But, after an amateur botanist hiking through the park during the work saw the harm done to some of the park's Braunton's milkvetch a flowering shrub with only a few thousand specimens remaining in the wild and complained, the project was completely halted, Courthouse News Service reported.
Instead of fire-hardening the park, the city which the state said had undertaken the work without proper permitting ended up paying $2 million in fines and was ordered by the California Coastal Commission to reverse the whole project and replant the rare herb.
That work saved about 200 Braunton's milkvetch plants almost all of which have now likely been torched in the wildfires that consumed Topanga Canyon, along with nearly 24,000 acres (37 square miles) of some of LA's most sought-after real estate.
Clearing out easily ignited underbrush/forest debris/materiel or whatever you call it would have helped, period. Californian's sensitivity to 'environmental concerns and permitting' stopped that from happening.
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In reply to Dungeon Crawler Carl • 8:40a, 1/14/25
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That house was already a lost cause. Tells me it belonged to somebody with influence and the aerial boss just did it to be able to say we tried.

Its also a good vid for everyone to see that even a 1000 gallons dumped at once (2-500g drops) has little effect once a high fuel source is fully charged in flames.
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8:46a, 1/14/25
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Even if the house was a lost cause, dousing it could be to slow further spread I guess.
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Even if the house was a lost cause, dousing it could be to slow further spread I guess.


Typically that would be downwind where embers were expected to land and not directly on the fire.
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9:47a, 1/14/25
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This is wild, especially coming from Kasparian (who seems to be getting more red pilled by the day). The utter incompetence and insanity of California policies are going to destroy everything there.


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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While I completely understand the emotion in hating on the Insurance companies, I don't know what people really expect them to do. They are businesses and they assess risk. They have seen the policies in California and the risks continue to rise and only getting worse while expenses and regulations are insane. They knew that the odds of something bad like this happening was too big of a risk so they started pulling out. To do otherwise would be irresponsible and not fair to all of the people they insure in places that don't vote for lunacy like they have in California and LA that created environments like this. Everywhere has different types of natural disasters that they are vulnerable to and if the government isn't doing things to mitigate those risks then it isn't the job of an insurance company to just be on the hook no matter how big the risks get.

In Florida for instance they have always had issues with insurance companies pulling out. So what have they done? They have tried to do everything reasonably possible to mitigate those risks and prepare for them. They have worked with insurance companies to find solutions that make it feasible for them to do business in higher risk areas even if they costs are high. They actually address the core issues and work on a solution. California has not shown any interest in addressing the actual problems and actually has worked to make them bigger problems. So insurance companies leave and no one wants to replace them. That's not the fault of the insurance companies.
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In reply to aggie93 • 10:07a, 1/14/25
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This is wild, especially coming from Kasparian (who seems to be getting more red pilled by the day). The utter incompetence and insanity of California policies are going to destroy everything there.


They just had a fire this last weekend in Austin at a homeless encampment. Just a matter of time until that happens in the wrong place and wrong time here. Liberals won't learn though - Democrat is who you vote for when you are either ignorant/stupid or some single issue idealist who can't see the bigger picture. We'll never run out of either of those 2 types of people in this country.
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10:58a, 1/14/25
3D printed concrete houses are going to be booming out PCH
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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Ag_07 said:
What's keeping them from tapping into and using larger sources like say THE PACIFIC OCEAN?

Pretty sure salt water fights fires just as well as pool and pond water.
Well, for one, it would corrode the equipment and sterilize the ground.......
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Ag_07 said:
What's keeping them from tapping into and using larger sources like say THE PACIFIC OCEAN?

Pretty sure salt water fights fires just as well as pool and pond water.
Well, for one, it would corrode the equipment and sterilize the ground.......



Nonsense


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how many bad movies are going to be created over the next 2 years so these actors can rebuild their homes?
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This is wild, especially coming from Kasparian (who seems to be getting more red pilled by the day). The utter incompetence and insanity of California policies are going to destroy everything there.
I've changed my opinion of her over the last 8 months. She and Cenk were the first libs I heard openly calling for Biden to be replaced because of senility and more importantly they knew he would lose to Trump. She is being red pilled as much as you could hope a borderline communist could be. She isn't afraid to call out the absurdity of defunding the police and allowing rampant homelessness.
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While I completely understand the emotion in hating on the Insurance companies, I don't know what people really expect them to do. They are businesses and they assess risk. They have seen the policies in California and the risks continue to rise and only getting worse while expenses and regulations are insane. They knew that the odds of something bad like this happening was too big of a risk so they started pulling out. To do otherwise would be irresponsible and not fair to all of the people they insure in places that don't vote for lunacy like they have in California and LA that created environments like this. Everywhere has different types of natural disasters that they are vulnerable to and if the government isn't doing things to mitigate those risks then it isn't the job of an insurance company to just be on the hook no matter how big the risks get.

In Florida for instance they have always had issues with insurance companies pulling out. So what have they done? They have tried to do everything reasonably possible to mitigate those risks and prepare for them. They have worked with insurance companies to find solutions that make it feasible for them to do business in higher risk areas even if they costs are high. They actually address the core issues and work on a solution. California has not shown any interest in addressing the actual problems and actually has worked to make them bigger problems. So insurance companies leave and no one wants to replace them. That's not the fault of the insurance companies.


Not to mention, State Farm is a mutual insurance company. Not a great one to pick on. We use them for homeowners and auto insurance.

We had a straightline downburst event in 2018 (est 115 mph) that caused 60K in damages to our home. The next year we saw no premium increase. One year after that we got a premium reduction and a refund of part of the previous year's premium. Excess profits not put back into the company are returned to the policyholder owners.
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I think I and/or others posted this earlier, but did they really not fill this damn thing up during the entire Biden (*) presidency?

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That's a contract i would like to see and audit
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