Incompetency pays well, apparently.

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Never works for me, oh well. A long time ago someone said you have to delete part of the link or something. Crazy that so many people have such difficulty posting Instagram links on Texags in the year 2025.

The only one that doesn't shock me on their is chief port pilot.

death toll up to 24 apparently

two-thirds from the Eaton fire

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I work for a Electric Utility in Distribution Engineering. The only one that jumps out to me is Gary Carivau. He's a manager and typically most Managers don't get that much OT outside extreme events. The rest of those guys that's pretty typical for those positions.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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wild fires will happen -- there's no stopping that. But, when fires happen in the mountain west (outside of Cali), they routinely get them in check on a faster timeline. If the conditions are right, there's only so much you can do, but if you at least have public lands with even minimal fire mitigation and prep efforts, it's night and day compared to the endless amount of kindling-like brush they have in SoCal. It's an ongoing battle. The life of a forest means constantly creating fuel for fires and you can't just mitigate endless swaths of land, but you can sure as hell clean up lands that put densely populated areas in a more precarious position.

I've never been a firefighter personally, but have plenty of friends who are or at least went to fight wildfires out west in their 20s before embracing the corporate life and I get these opinions largely from them.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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wild fires will happen -- there's no stopping that. But, when fires happen in the mountain west (outside of Cali), they routinely get them in check on a faster timeline. If the conditions are right, there's only so much you can do, but if you at least have public lands with even minimal fire mitigation and prep efforts, it's night and day compared to the endless amount of kindling-like brush they have in SoCal. It's an ongoing battle. The life of a forest means constantly creating fuel for fires and you can't just mitigate endless swaths of land, but you can sure as hell clean up lands that put densely populated areas in a more precarious position.

I've never been a firefighter personally, but have plenty of friends who are or at least went to fight wildfires out west in their 20s before embracing the corporate life and I get these opinions largely from them.

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And in many cases they do not get them in check. I get there is all this anecdotal things being posted. But many do not directly relate to this shrub ecosystem. Esp one with dense population mixed in.

most "forestry" treatments will not work, cause this isn't a forest.

Good editorial by Tom McClintock in the WSJ today.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bad-policy-served-as-kindling-for-californias-wildfires-forest-water-management-social-justice-c5b94a4f

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When Juan Cabrillo dropped anchor in what is now Los Angeles's San Pedro Bay in the autumn of 1542, he promptly named it the Bay of Smokes. Annual wildfires fanned by Santa Ana winds are nothing new in Southern California. This is how nature gardens. She doesn't care whose lives are destroyed, whose homes are burned, or how long it takes to reclaim the scarred land.

We mortals do. Throughout most of the 20th century, we took measures to minimize the frequency and severity of wildfires. We created land-management agencies to do some of the gardening ourselves. We removed excess timber, creating resilient, fire-resistant forests, thriving mountain economies and a lucrative source of public revenue. We leased public lands to sheep and cattle ranchers whose stock kept brush from building up. We established competent infrastructure to stop fires from getting out of control. We cut firebreaks into the soil to contain flames.

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Then the environmentalist whackos screwed it all up.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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wild fires will happen -- there's no stopping that. But, when fires happen in the mountain west (outside of Cali), they routinely get them in check on a faster timeline. If the conditions are right, there's only so much you can do, but if you at least have public lands with even minimal fire mitigation and prep efforts, it's night and day compared to the endless amount of kindling-like brush they have in SoCal. It's an ongoing battle. The life of a forest means constantly creating fuel for fires and you can't just mitigate endless swaths of land, but you can sure as hell clean up lands that put densely populated areas in a more precarious position.

I've never been a firefighter personally, but have plenty of friends who are or at least went to fight wildfires out west in their 20s before embracing the corporate life and I get these opinions largely from them.

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And in many cases they do not get them in check. I get there is all this anecdotal things being posted. But many do not directly relate to this shrub ecosystem. Esp one with dense population mixed in.

most "forestry" treatments will not work, cause this isn't a forest.

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totally get that. One thing we can both agree on though -- if you have major Santa Ana winds in the forecast, you should have all your fire teams and govt personnel at the ready. That's some low hanging ass fruit right there.

Newsom said he just signed an e.o. to allow bypass of environmemtal rules to speed up the rebuild process. Obviously he and the dems know how costly and slow there environmental regulations kill the process.

well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

and yes have training personal, working equipment and infrastructure should prevail over DEI.

But it won't. Humans aren't too bright and have very short memory

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Newsom said he just signed an e.o. to allow bypass of environmemtal rules to speed up the rebuild process. Obviously he and the dems know how costly and slow there environmental regulations kill the process.

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they don't know that -- he just doesn't want to ruin his presidential candidacy bid

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well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

and yes have training personal, working equipment and infrastructure should prevail over DEI.

But it won't. Humans aren't too bright and have very short memory

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yes, I fully expect this to have zero affect on Gavin's 2028 run, unfortunately. Those of us with a brain will remember, but the dem voters will be back in love with him in record time, if they ever did fall out of love

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well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

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I was just calling them matches, waiting for the tops to be stricken. Even keeping them scrupulously trimmed will not reduce that.

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Did they have to remind people not to shoot guns up into the air for NYE again? I feel like they need to be reminded pretty much every year that what goes up comes back down.

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The only celebratory gunfire I've heard outside was when I was living in Highlands Ranch, Colorado when the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup in 2001. I could not believe how many of my neighbors were outside shooting off guns.

I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring.

FFS. It's not like these fires don't happen every damn year for DECADES. Of course they have time and labor to do it.

This isn't like a tornado or a hurricane that just comes up out of nowhere and they don't expect it. Are you serious?

I mean, they've had time to paint the fire hydrants in rainbow colors, push DEI programs, pay and reward illegals and cater to non-existent climate change. And they've certainly had time to bash Trump for problems the Democrats themselves caused.

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

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— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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You are being stupid to die on this hill. I hope you know that.. And there's lots of things that I don't agree with regarding Trump, and I speak out when I think so, I do not defend him regarding everything, but you're wrong on this.

The fact that the tweets are that old was part of the point I'm making. California has just been ignoring this **** in favor of illegals, DEI and climate bull**** that doesn't even exist.

I'm sorry for you on this thread because you are so completely misguided in your hatred. It's making you look foolish, but it's a free country and it's gonna be even better in a few days.

You really need to reconcile your anger and irrationality when it comes to Trump. If it makes you feel better to insult me and call me stupid and other things go for it doesn't bother me at all.

I just think you need to relax and realize the Democrats hold a big responsibility and how far these fires have spread. Trump simply tried to get them to do the right thing for years and they didn't.

He's a great president, but a very flawed man and everyone makes mistakes.

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Newsom said he just signed an e.o. to allow bypass of environmemtal rules to speed up the rebuild process. Obviously he and the dems know how costly and slow there environmental regulations kill the process.

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Why have them in the first place then?
Are they admitting that the regulations are worthless and shouldn't have been there to begin with?

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well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

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I was just calling them matches, waiting for the tops to be stricken. Even keeping them scrupulously trimmed will not reduce that.

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the problem with those *******s is that ball they form when you trim them is nothing by a giant ball of highly flammable material. then when you add wind to it, it becomes an ember factory

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If these rules were the right thing to do and were logical, then you wouldn't' have to rescind them. Weird.

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well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

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I was just calling them matches, waiting for the tops to be stricken. Even keeping them scrupulously trimmed will not reduce that.

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the problem with those *******s is that ball they form when you trim them is nothing by a giant ball of highly flammable material. then when you add wind to it, it becomes an ember factory

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Now do eucalyptus trees. They are an invasive species and used for landscaping far too often and have plagued California for years.

https://www.kqed.org/science/4209/eucalyptus-california-icon-fire-hazard-and-invasive-species

yea they tried to plant that **** in SE Texas as a renewable source of pulp wood. thank goodness it didn't really take

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Lying sack of *****

Always blaming Trump.

WHY didn't you let a dozen firetrucks from Portland in to help with the fires? Apparently, they didn't pass a "smog test"? Tell me again how you're trying to protect California? You think that the thick smog in the air right now isn't damaging? Help the world understand why you…

— Lisa4USA (@lisa5537) January 12, 2025

Should've done what he asked instead of DEI, illegals and climate bull*****

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Stupid &$#@. There is no "forest floor". It's a mass of NATIVE highly volatile brush species. Lots of mismanagement here, but he should keep his mouth shut at times. Bad Trump. Indefensible Trump.

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THIS is the real reason California is plagued by fires.

It’s NOT Climate Change. It’s the failed policies of Gavin Newsom & California Democrats

pic.twitter.com/voGqy46kmv

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) January 12, 2025

I'm not in forestry but I think this is what Trump is talking about. I think the layman thinks this is what a forest floor is. I don't understand why you're so upset by the term forest floor.

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Stupid hill to die on. These aren't even remotely the same as real forest fires, but you'll defend Trump no matter how stupid he sounds at times……..even with a quote from 5 years ago that doesn't fit the current situation. Once again, explain what "forestry management practices" you believe fit this chaparral situation.

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You are being stupid to die on this hill. I hope you know that.. And I think there's lots of things that I don't agree with regarding Trump, and I speak out when I think so, I do not defend him regarding everything, but you're wrong on this.

The fact that thr tweets are that old was part of the point I'm making. California has just been ignoring this **** in favor of illegals, DEI and climate bull**** that doesn't even exist.

I'm sorry for you on this thread because you are so completely misguided in your hatred. It's making you look foolish, but it's a free country and it's gonna be even better in a few days.

You really need to reconcile your anger and irrationality when it comes to Trump. If it makes you feel better to insult me and call me stupid and other things go for it doesn't bother me at all.

I just think you need to relax and realize the Democrats hold a big responsibility and how far these fires have spread. Trump simply tried to get them to do the right thing for years and they didn't.

He's a great president, but a very flawed man and everyone makes mistakes.

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My hatred? I voted for him, but I also understand that this is F16 and pointing out anything stupid he says is immediately met with "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! TDS! You hate Trump!"

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated

I picked the wrong career.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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wild fires will happen -- there's no stopping that. But, when fires happen in the mountain west (outside of Cali), they routinely get them in check on a faster timeline. If the conditions are right, there's only so much you can do, but if you at least have public lands with even minimal fire mitigation and prep efforts, it's night and day compared to the endless amount of kindling-like brush they have in SoCal. It's an ongoing battle. The life of a forest means constantly creating fuel for fires and you can't just mitigate endless swaths of land, but you can sure as hell clean up lands that put densely populated areas in a more precarious position.

I've never been a firefighter personally, but have plenty of friends who are or at least went to fight wildfires out west in their 20s before embracing the corporate life and I get these opinions largely from them.

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And in many cases they do not get them in check. I get there is all this anecdotal things being posted. But many do not directly relate to this shrub ecosystem. Esp one with dense population mixed in.

most "forestry" treatments will not work, cause this isn't a forest.

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totally get that. One thing we can both agree on though -- if you have major Santa Ana winds in the forecast, you should have all your fire teams and govt personnel at the ready. That's some low hanging ass fruit right there.

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The lowest hanging fruit is water.

Watching that video of the water trucks that Rick Caruso brought in to save the Palisades Village shopping center, makes you wonder, why nevermind the firetrucks out for maintenance, why doesn't Los Angeles have a fleet of water trucks standing by?

Why wasn't every water truck from every construction site headed to Pacific Palisades / Malibu?

And of course we haven't seen any indications that the governments in California and SoCal did anything to mitigate the fire risks during the two years of massive snowfall between 2021-2023.

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well the other thing that stood out to me was how those damn palm trees looked like 50 foot giant sparklers throwing embers all over the place like a blow torch. Might not want to replant those things either

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I was just calling them matches, waiting for the tops to be stricken. Even keeping them scrupulously trimmed will not reduce that.

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When I was in Boy Scouts in Saudi Arabia, one of the greatest things during camp outs was playing Junior Pyromaniac with dead palm branches.

Dead palm branches burn fast which provides a lot of excitement for mischievous teenage boys.

We never lit a dead palm tree on fire but we definitely burned a lot of palm fronds.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated

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Can you imagine writing the burn plans for that? All Class IV……all darn sure out of any spec I've ever seen…..and the time frame when weather conditions are right is likely minuscule. And darn sure tough to guarantee it will happen at all. How many times have you written one here and had it sit for a year or more? Now throw in air quality laws around that area. Likely better ways to mitigate it and plan for……..fire. It's coming.

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated

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Can you imagine writing the burn plans for that? All Class IV……all darn sure out of any spec I've ever seen…..and the time frame when weather conditions are right is likely minuscule. Now throw in air quality laws around that area. Likely better ways to mitigate it and plan for……..fire. It's coming.

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then imagine most likely having to defend that plan in front of a city council or some kind of public review board. Then of course the lawsuits trying to block because of some group trying to save chaparral or some BS like that

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated

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And it's even more difficult when you don't even try.

From 2000-2023, I lived in several fire prone areas - Douglas County, Colorado, Los Angeles County, California and Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. And I've owned a rural wooded acreage property in Northern Nevada for the past 7 years.

I know a thing or two about the local terrain, vegetation and wildfires.

In fact, the amount of deadfall I have on my property in Nevada is bad news. But, I don't have any structures on the property otherwise, I'd put more effort into it. In Nevada, we're constantly preached to about "defensible space".

The portion of the conversation I was responding to was the discussion about government action, prevention, preparedness, etc.

In Australia, they were doing prescribed burns all the time in my area of Sydney's Northern Beaches. And I'd argue that the terrain and vegetation wasn't that much different than Los Angeles.

In Los Angeles, there were plenty of real fires but not much in the way of prevention.

Earlier in this thread, somebody posted a map of fires in California. Go have a look at how many times there has been a fire near the Warner Brothers Studio Lot. Seems like it's every few years. And the "Griffith Park Fire", which one? There have been so many.

There are always fires in Malibu. Every couple of years there's a big one that gets out of control. Yet, California doesn't really do much to prevent them and judging by this set of fires, they're not well prepared to respond either.

In Colorado, the only one I experienced that was totally out of control was the Hayman Fire in 2002 that ran for 6 weeks until it rained.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayman_Fire

In Australia the late 2019 - early 2020 fires were completely out of control. And we never really got a root cause on those. Global warming was the main culprit according to the news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bushfire_season

Obviously the Santa Ana winds with these fires made for the perfect storm.

Back to the competent government part, wake me up when Mayor Bass or Governor Newsom starts talking about defensible space, evacuation plans, and forest fire response.

There's a funny parallel between Australia's 2019 fires and LA Mayor Karen Bass going to Africa. When the fires in Australia got out of control, the PM, Scott Morrison was on holiday in Hawaii.

shout out to my company, Armada, who is a partner of SpaceX/Starlink for providing sat/coms to fire fighters in CA.....

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevin-fetterman-8937a120_another-incredible-moment-and-a-time-worth-activity-7283742752498950145-5oZw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

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I swear, some of you like attacking posters more than thinking about their message. Im watching FOX news now, and some of those areas are unbelievably steep, rocky, and inaccessible. Im surprised there aren't more crashes of firefighting aircraft at night. I don't know how on earth there would be enough time and labor to whack all that brush down and reduce the type of fire occurring (you'd have to haul it all out or there'd be an even worse problem). It looks like nature will win this battle every time in lots of those areas.

We can't change the climate (I know ;-) )and natural vegetation there, so how can we best work around it? You damn sure don't leave that reservoir empty for years, and you don't rebuild a damn thing to the obviously fire prone standards there before. If you choose to put your house in the middle of an almost annual brushy powder keg, it's on you. It's the people that appear to be well in town that measures can sure be taken to help keep this from happening again be it construction specs, restricted vegetation, more hydrants, …….

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what if I told you there's much more aggressive terrain all over this planet with dialed in fire reduction and mitigation programs thoughtfully deployed? You just have to have a government that isn't ******ed as a first step

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where, I'd like to see some examples?

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When I lived in Sydney, Australia, they regularly did prescribed burns and that terrain was pretty rocky.

In fact, former PM Tony Abbot was a volunteer with the New South Wales Rural Fire Brigade.

Former PM Tony Abbott and his firey division fighting the bushfires in 45 degree heat in Bendalong NSW over the weekend.
Full video: Sky News Aus https://t.co/esS3ki84Hd pic.twitter.com/k9g9PhzWaM

— Keira Savage (@KeiraSavage00) January 6, 2020

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not really same vegetation and terrain. I'm talking about these hills with all this brush AND houses.

Its really easy to say hey do a prescribed burn. It's another thing to actually get one done. It's very hard even in places in Texas that aren't populated

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If I remember correctly ...

A prescribed burn, conducted by the BLM, was the cause of a substantial fire in New Mexico a few years ago.