Minneapolis getting Hot?

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Pylon Cam said:

That pig murdered an American citizen in cold blood and y'all are celebrating it? No one's lives were in danger when he shot…he was just looking to kill.

It's amazing to me that y'all are suddenly all on board with a fascist police state…so much for small government and freedom.


You are an admitted far left wing, communist. It's amazing to me that you are lecturing us on small government and freedom. Something you abhor. I would say that you surely see the irony here, but since you are a communist you would not admit it even if you do.

Your ideology's core tenets are a centralized, top-down government that runs every aspect of a citizen's life. There is no freedom of speech, assembly, or property rights in your desired world. People are soulless widgets in your world. You can't even keep people fed in your ideology.

Tell me how your comment is remotely relevant considering your own background.
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Okay, I realize that my views don't always line up with the majority here, but how is the Minnesota shooting by the ICE agent not self-defense by the agent? This is one seems open and shut but tons of people are coming out against the agent.
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The left needs a martyr
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Most of the aggressive agents look to be Border Patrol BORTAC which are mostly retired special operations guys. Not people you want to mess with
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

Okay, I realize that my views don't always line up with the majority here, but how is the Minnesota shooting by the ICE agent not self-defense by the agent? This is one seems open and shut but tons of people are coming out against the agent.

Are you being serious? Why progressive groups and ANTFA who have been doing this (harassing ICE) for 8+ months now are coming out against the agent? Seriously?
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4stringAg said:

Rapier108 said:

KBTX pushing the big lie hard like the good commies they are.




This video actually lends evidence to the strategy of her blocking and interfering with ICE officers and not just being some innocent bystander observing ICE.


Not only that, but the idiot tries to illustrate the officer that fired is next to the vehicle and not in front of it. He makes the claim right after he shows the vehicle hitting him and knocking him into that position. It's like George costanza saying "It's not a lie if you believe it" on steroids.
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Just set this as my lock screen.
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There's an article about how she trained on how to interfere with ICE. They hunted ICE and intentionally interrupted their actions. She wasn't there on accident, but with the intention of causing problems.

It almost certainly escalated beyond what she was prepared for, and she panicked. Unfortunately, those decisions cost her to not be alive anymore.
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Who?mikejones! said:


Teachers are too busy to teach because they are at the protest


FEBRUARY ****ING 12TH?!?
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She's a state rep, in case no one knows....congrats on winning the equivalent of a high school class officer election
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They just ignore her so perfectly. Almost feels like a skit
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Quote:

Can that statement be true, and also statements that this ICE agent was actually not in imminent danger of his life?

Because I think that the two can coexist. And I think that idea that this ICE agent was actually about to be murdered by a vehicle moving 5 mph to be risible. But it's certainly possible that in a split second he wasn't able to accurately judge his level of threat.

The standard is whether his belief he was in imminent danger of death or serious injury was reasonable under the totality of the circumstances.

Those circumstances included her previous actions that morning. Following them and harassing them. Not some civilian unexpectedly caught in the middle of a confusing situation. She was there for her own purposes.
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I never would have known
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If he was actually in true danger of being killed by the car, he would be dead, because shooting the driver when the car is two feet away from you isn't going to save your life if that car is imminently going to kill you.

I'm not at all claiming that he did it he wrong thing or that wouldn't be natural in the situation to think that you're in danger of your life. I just don't think that such an assessment would be accurate.

Like the stories of the cop who killed a kid with an airsoft gun. His life was never actually in danger, and nobody was trying to kill him, but at the same time he made a split second decision when he thought his life was under threat. Turned out he was incorrect in his threat assessment, but he still made the best decision he could under the circumstances.

I'm mostly just annoyed at all the claims that this cop had a close shave with death and that the protestor is a would-be murderer. I don't think the video bears that out.
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I'm not trying to demonize the ICE agent. I just don't think he accurately gauged the threat. Like, I would be shocked if, based on that video, he did not shoot the driver and that choice led to his death.

I mean, obviously this is unknowable. But that's just what the video looks like to me.
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Farmer_J said:



Hard to tell if he's being sarcastic/trolling or if he's serious.
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solishu said:

I'm not trying to demonize the ICE agent. I just don't think he accurately gauged the threat. Like, I would be shocked if, based on that video, he did not shoot the driver and that choice led to his death.

I mean, obviously this is unknowable. But that's just what the video looks like to me.


If her tires grip on 1st pedal slam...he's under the frame of that car before he draws his pistol!!

He 100% accurately gauged the threat and neutralized accordingly.
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solishu said:

I'm not trying to demonize the ICE agent. I just don't think he accurately gauged the threat. Like, I would be shocked if, based on that video, he did not shoot the driver and that choice led to his death.

Front wheel would have gone over which part of his body? Chest? Neck? Head? You have 1.3 seconds to decide which part of your body is survivable?

That is NOT the SCOTUS test. It is not just death it is also serious bodily injury that justifies the level of force used.

Do you understand that yet? I have only been saying that here since the Trayvon Martin case.
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solishu said:

I'm not trying to demonize the ICE agent. I just don't think he accurately gauged the threat. Like, I would be shocked if, based on that video, he did not shoot the driver and that choice led to his death.

I mean, obviously this is unknowable. But that's just what the video looks like to me.

Based on what training or experience as an LEO you have? Be specific.
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solishu said:

I'm not trying to demonize the ICE agent. I just don't think he accurately gauged the threat. Like, I would be shocked if, based on that video, he did not shoot the driver and that choice led to his death.

I mean, obviously this is unknowable. But that's just what the video looks like to me.


Since you missed it on a previous page

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flashplayer said:

If you're going to Monday morning QB this shoot, shot 1 was definitely justified as he is at the front headlight. Shot 2 and 3 probably should not have been taken in a perfect world because he was already to the side of the door when those were taken, but it's really hard to fault anyone on that because shot 1 was justified in my estimation.

Bottom line - justified shooting on someone who was willing to FAFO.


Perfect world doesn't take in the OODA loop processing time along with a good shooter can fire a round every .2 seconds.

Good shots she FAFO.
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A Net Full of Jello said:

Rapier108 said:

KBTX pushing the big lie hard like the good commies they are.



Looks like Rusty pulled this post off Facebook. I bet the comments were GOLD.

will25u posted a Tim Pool analysis that proves the NYT's is full of crap.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3590566/replies/71704518
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JFABNRGR said:

flashplayer said:

If you're going to Monday morning QB this shoot, shot 1 was definitely justified as he is at the front headlight. Shot 2 and 3 probably should not have been taken in a perfect world because he was already to the side of the door when those were taken, but it's really hard to fault anyone on that because shot 1 was justified in my estimation.

Bottom line - justified shooting on someone who was willing to FAFO.


Perfect world doesn't take in the OODA loop processing time along with a good shooter can fire a round every .2 seconds.

Good shots she FAFO.
neutralizing threat to fellow LEO's…she initiated it…he put an end to the nonsense.
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That's laughably false.
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solishu said:

two feet

You just proved you didnt watch the video with the correct angle. Take the L
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solishu said:

Can that statement be true, and also statements that this ICE agent was actually not in imminent danger of his life?

Because I think that the two can coexist. And I think that idea that this ICE agent was actually about to be murdered by a vehicle moving 5 mph to be risible. But it's certainly possible that in a split second he wasn't able to accurately judge his level of threat.

No, the two statements cannot coexist, and the ICE agent reasonably judged his level of threat. Renee Nicole Good stalked and impeded ICE vehicles with her SUV. After one ICE agent asked her to step out, she backed up and drove forward, hitting another ICE agent before he shot her and killed her in self-defense.
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That's what I get for watching CNN for even a minute - CNN Gump Collins just said there's an "ongoing investigation about the ICE officer who fatally shot an American mom"

You can't hate the media enough.
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Big Al 1992 said:

That's what I get for watching CNN for even a minute - CNN Gump Collins just said there's an "ongoing investigation about the ICE officer who fatally shot an American mom"

You can't hate the media enough.


A far left wing, mentally insane mother who neglitently left her kid without parents. Her warped truth to power got herself killed.
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YouBet said:

Big Al 1992 said:

That's what I get for watching CNN for even a minute - CNN Gump Collins just said there's an "ongoing investigation about the ICE officer who fatally shot an American mom"

You can't hate the media enough.


A far left wing, mentally insane mother who neglitently left her kid without parents. Her warped truth to power got herself killed.


Her inability to comply with lawful orders and choice to accelerate forward into an agent was her choice to die.

Simple. She could have done many different things differently. Instead, she chose all the wrong things
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Was looking up a company (Imminent Threat Solutions) and came across this thread on Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/armedsocialists/comments/1q7d8dz/hey_friends_bfc_here_yesterday_morning_i_recorded/
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Very important info about the ICE shooting:

The agent that shot Renee Good yesterday, as she drove toward him, had been dragged by a car over 300ft just 6 months ago by a man who had been charged with sex crimes against a child.
This is a photo of him in the hospital.

This happened one month after Tim Walz called ICE the modern day Gestapo. The agent had over 30 stitches, luckily escaping death.

So being hit or dragged by a car wasn't some theoretical event he had the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking. He had ONE SECOND to make a judgement call with a car accelerating at him: Shoot to save my life or potentially die being run over or caught and dragged by this car?

A very compelling argument can be made that Democrat politicians are to blame for both events here. In one, an illegal was radicalized to believe he could run from the "Gestapo" and likely believed the Walz Admin would protect him. In this one a woman radicalized by Dem politicians and media believed that she could impede law enforcement without consequence. She ended up dead as a result.

The position Democrats are putting our ICE agents in is just objectively dangerous and evil.

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Last summer, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent found himself in a perilous situation.

His arm was pinned into the back window of a car as a suspect sped away, dragging him across the pavement for about 100 yards, according to court documents. The agent, who suffered injuries to his arm and hand, fired his Taser at the man during the encounter, records show.

Roughly six months later, the same officer faced another driver who hit the gas as he tried to stop her vehicle. This time, he fired with his service weapon killing 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good.

The officer in the June case is identified in court documents as Jonathan Ross. A senior Department Homeland Security official confirmed that case involved the same officer who fired the shots that killed Good this week.

A transcript of Ross's testimony from the June case reviewed by CNN adds new detail to his experience, which includes a tour of duty with the National Guard in Iraq as a gunner from 2004 to in 2005. In his testimony he describes performing "hundreds" of traffic stops in his career over nearly two decades in Border Patrol and then ICE including encounters with drivers seeking to flee.

"They do erratic behaviors, they take great risks, and they seem to not be aware of other people driving on the road," Ross told the jury. "They usually they make just extreme movements with their vehicles."

Ross served in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with the Indiana National Guard, he testified in court, and then joined Border Patrol in 2007. He said he worked with the agency near El Paso, Texas, where he worked on intelligence about "cartels and drug smuggling," before joining ICE in 2015.

With ICE, he said, he works in fugitive operations in the Minneapolis area and regularly collaborates with other federal agencies. "I target higher value targets," he testified.

The agent's experience in ICE included a selection to a Special Response Team, McLaughlin said, which requires 30 hours of tryouts, continuous training and expert marksman qualifications.

His violent encounter with a suspect last June began when federal officials moved in to arrest Roberto Carlos Muñoz-Guatemala, an undocumented immigrant who had been charged with sexually abusing a teenage relative in 2022, according to a court affidavit written by an FBI agent involved in the case.

Muñoz-Guatemala swerved the car down the street and dragged Ross about 100 yards, according to the affidavit, before the agent was knocked away from the vehicle. Muñoz-Guatemala then drove with the Taser hanging out of the car window and was arrested about a mile away by local police officers.

Muñoz-Guatemala was charged with assault on a federal officer with a dangerous or deadly weapon and resulting in bodily injury and was convicted by a jury in December after a three-day trial. His sentencing is pending.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-car-dragged-invs
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Uncle Clif sums it up nicely. Language warning.

 
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