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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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neither cop is the freaking killer. That would be so dumb and they aren't going for dumb. Can we stop discussing that?

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More on the origin of Carcosa and the Yellow King:

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2014/02/16/3292391/true-detective-carcosa/
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Ok, and in regards to the post above, no movie made me feel more of that than The Prestige.
Bunk Moreland
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I definitely like the Marty FIL theory to tie in with Tuttle and power players running some crazy satanic weird ****.

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Somebody say rack?





Texas 1836
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dlance with the outdoors board reference ...
Furlock Bones
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great call on the prestige. this show is going to take multiple viewings to fully appreciate.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy falls under this as well.
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neither cop is the freaking killer. That would be so dumb and they aren't going for dumb. Can we stop discussing that?


I agree that the possibility is probably just a red herring, but I think we can discuss whatever we want on here, especially considering you don't KNOW how this ends up. At least this theory pertains to the plot and doesn't revolve around bullet trajectories and ballistics like in the God-awful walking dead (and BB) threads.
Bunk Moreland
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You're right. I don't know. However, if they went that route I still say it would be incredibly dumb and ruin what has been an amazing miniseries
bendover
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I'm not sure how you can say making Cohle the current killer is "dumb".

Maybe something you don't like, but it's not dumb. It's set-up, foreshadowed, and plausible.

I agree that if they all the sudden do something like Marty is a member of a satanic cult and he is going to sacrifice his oldest daughter, that would be "dumb," because it would go against everything we know about the character and it would have no foreshadowing or set-up to it. It'd just be a cheap trick by the writer.

There wouldn't be anything "cheap" about making Cohle some type of psychopath, because whether he is killing or not, he is clearly not "right".

Reminds me of earlier in the thread when people were speaking in absolutes saying the cops didn't suspect Cohle as the killer and the writer wasn't trying to make it look that way. Just a complete misread on the show by some.

BTW, right now I don't think Cohle is the killer, either, just saying it wouldn't be "dumb" if he was, in my opinion.

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TMACsDaMan
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A lot of crimes go unsolved and remain cold...anyone think that could be the ending???
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A lot of crimes go unsolved and remain cold...anyone think that could be the ending???

They do that and I MIGHT punch a hole in my TV.

I say through that with that rainy murder mystery Seattle show on AMC a few years back....Please for the love of all things holy don't let that be how this plays out.
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A+++

the writing is unreal. Cormac McCarthy meets James Ellroy meets Faulkner.

so long as this writing/directing team stays together, the sky is the limit IMO

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txknight
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Went back to episode 1; the antlers were from a 10 point buck.
GasPasser97
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So who is the first guy shown in the opening credits?

We haven't seen him yet.

Gotta be the Yellow King, right?
GiveEmHellBill
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Interesting point from the Warming Glow discussion:

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"In another video HBO put out last night, Pizzolatto points out something that previously didn’t occur to me in regards to Cohle requesting beer during his interrogation: drinking during his questioning makes everything he says inadmissible in court.


Don't try and f*** with a master interrogator...
DannyDuberstein
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No way is Cohle the killer. I think he's been off the grid hunting them. I also think Marty is aware of what he's been doing.
corleoneAg99
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Which is why he's been set up.
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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I'm not sure how you can say making Cohle the current killer is "dumb".

It's dumb because it would be out of context with all that the audience already knows. Why show all the after hours researching he did? Why show the ridiculous amounts of danger Cohle put himself through in order to get Ledoux? It would be intentionally misleading the audience with no (or very minor) clues that hint at the truth, with no other reason than just to provide an unexpected twist. I consider that a cheap and dumb trick utilized too frequently by writers. See "Now You See Me" for a perfect example of this.

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They have shown him doing ZERO amount o research since 2002.

Couple of theories here, I guess. The one I am talking about is somebody is killing girls in the past being different than who killed current victim. We originally think it is Ledoux in the past, now it seems it wasn't him. Main suspect appear to be Tuttle who over doses in 2010.

Now in present day new girl is dead. The person that killed her doesn't have to be the person that killed girls back in 1995. If it was Tuttle doing those killings, well he is dead now. So, who killed this new girl? Is it a copy cat killing? Did Cohle finally lose it and try his hand at murder?

That twist isn't "dumb" in the sense it would be incongruous with what else has happened, and it wouldn't be cheap since it had breen setup plenty.
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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However, the setup is based on the knowledge that the investigators are working with, not what the audience is working with. With our knowledge, we know that they are completely off base with their presumptions that Cohle engineered the Ledoux story to cover his ass. There is actually absolutely no evidence that the recent murder was Cohle other than he was seen among the crowd at the crime scene. Unless there is something other than Cohle is acting weird as usual, I find it a pretty big stretch to even consider Cohle to be a suspect given what we know as the audience such his extensive work in undercover operations, what he found before "going off the deep end", and what appears to be a corroboration of the story between Hart and Cohle. So, yes, I would still find it dumb if they decided to make Cohle the killer, which they won't do.
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bendover
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Our definition of what is "dumb" in a show are different. What you call 'dumb' I think of as just a creative choice I don't agree with or like. "Dumb" in this context for me would be a cheap narrative trick, which I don't think making Cohle the killer would be, as there are several different things you could point at that foreshadow it and make it make sense.

Now, depending on how they pulled it off would determine whether or not I thought it was dumb narrative choice.

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bendover
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Man, this is a really cool quote from the author on Cohle's M-brane (or membrane) theory speech and how it has a meta twist to it.

I don't really think this is a spoiler, but it's from an interview with the author and some people don't like to read that so consider yourself spoiler warned.


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"You could see Cohle as Job crying out to an unhearing God," he explained. "Or you could see him as something else."

"Like what?" I asked.

"Cohle describes the possibility of other dimensions existing, and he says that’s what eternity is," Pizzolatto continued. "He says that if somehow you existed outside of time, you’d be able to see the whole of our dimension as one superstructure with matter superimposed at every position it had ever occupied. He says that the nature of the universe is your consciousness, and it just keeps cycling along the same point in that superstructure: when you die, you’re reborn into yourself again, and you just keep living the same life over and over. He also explains that from a higher mathematical vantage point, our dimension would seem less dimensional. It would look flattened, almost."

Pizzolatto took a bite of his branzino. "Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/16/true-detective-episode-5-review-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-is-the-best-episode-yet.html

Youtube clip of the speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flVn_NxpDQ
SlimM
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I love this show.

So when are people going to start having True Detective-inspired Texags usernames?
Btron
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I'm not going to but I'd have the name Reggie Ledoux. I just like saying that with a think cajun accent.
The Yellow King could be one.
Varmintcong50
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Maybe Cohle wants to be considered a suspect. Perhaps he's gathered all this evidence and he knows if he just turns it over it will get disappeared. But if it's collected and catalogued while a search warrant is served on him (by the two black detectives he's cased and thinks are straight) it'll be harder to cover up.

Just a thought.
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I tend to believe that the past and present killer is not a killer at all, but rather killers. I'm guessing a hierarchy cult who dabbles in sexual cleansing murders. Between the wacked out Tuttle and the governor who preached to the detectives a few episodes ago, I'm thinking religion is the base for the killer cult. As far as cohle goes I think he is hell bent on solving the case by himself. It seems being a detective is the center of his universe and all he lives for. Whether it be him going rogue and taking extreme risks or going undercover in some face peeling Mexican cartel.

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If the cops serve a warrant on Cohle's storage locker because they think he is a suspect and they find it filled with evidence or information from the crimes, then that would only confirm their suspicions about Cohle regardless of what he was actually doing. At that point, the actual killers wouldn't need to cover up anything, just point the finger at Cohle and call it a day.
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I'm just glad I'm not crazy for thinking the cops have been investigating Could this whole time.
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Maybe Cohle wants to be considered a suspect. Perhaps he's gathered all this evidence and he knows if he just turns it over it will get disappeared. But if it's collected and catalogued while a search warrant is served on him (by the two black detectives he's cased and thinks are straight) it'll be harder to cover up.


As one who believes Cohle is in control at all times I am leaning towards he WANTED to have his picture taken at the crime scenes so that he would be brought in. Law brings up a good point about the locker and it further backing their case against him. Knowing what we know about Cohle he must have an air tight alibi, the locker is just a smoke screen to delay them or he wants them to get in there and worries any information in there might not see the light of day without a properly warranted and documented search.

GiveEmHellBill
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"So when are people going to start having True Detective-inspired Texags usernames?"


"Alexandra Daddario's Rack" anyone?
DannyDuberstein
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I think the locker is a red herring. I think Cohle has a read on everything.
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dibs on "what is that nietzsche"
Ag_07
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Pretty good read here about this week's episode and an in-depth look at Cohle and Hart. No predictions or spoilers but just a good look at where the characters thoughts are both in 2002 and 2012.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/02/16/true-detective-season-1-episode-5-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-tv-recap/

Excerpt I found interesting...

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As for Rust, I find it interesting that his nature is both at odds with and empowered by his philosophy. If he is a true pessimist who believes in the futility of human endeavor and the tyranny of unalterable time and destiny then why, after enduring all he has, does he keep pursuing the case? Why fight the bad guys at all? Why bother fighting if you can never stop death, pain and rooms of stolen and exploited children? His philosophy tells him to step aside, but his true self sends him back into the doorway every time.


MW03
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We've seen Cohle jump into a character with the biker gang. Are we seeing Cohle in a character now as the crazed burn out? Marty's comment to the effect of: "you weren't getting a read on him; he was getting a read on you" makes me think there's something to notion that Cohle has created this alter-ego intentionally.
 
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