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We've seen Cohle jump into a character with the biker gang. Are we seeing Cohle in a character now as the crazed burn out? Marty's comment to the effect of: "you weren't getting a read on him; he was getting a read on you" makes me think there's something to notion that Cohle has created this alter-ego intentionally.

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Love this idea, but would it be considered too "twist-y" for this show (according to the interviews with the author posted on this thread)?

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That's one of the best tweets I've ever seen.

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Anbody else notice that Reggie Ledoux did not have a spiral tattoo on his back?

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SuperDave is correct. Charlie said he had a "brand on his back, in a spiral. Said that's his sign". He never called it a tattoo.

I don't know that they had a true falling out. Maybe more like they just knew too much about each other and every day were reminded of the guilt, if you call it that, they had. Cohle said this is a world where nothing is solved, same ****, different day, different people. He likely drops off the grid out of disgust because bad things just keep happening. He just gets older but the crimes stay the same. But I think he wants revenge and closure on this case.

The girl by the mirror in the preview is the hooker that Hart told to do something else. I assume he will fall into his old ways with her.

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He just gets older but the crimes stay the same.

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He just gets older but the crimes stay the same *age.

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Maybe Cohle is off the grid because he has gone undercover trying to infiltrate the cult.

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I wondered this as well, but I think it would be VERY difficult for him to do. He was way too high profile when they "solved" the case the first time. Also, if Tuttle is involved, which I think he is, he already met Cohle at the precinct. I think he is absolutely off the grid and investigating by himself (mostly), but I think him joining the cult would be very difficult.

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Too much reverence for Cohle on here. I don't think he is as much in control as some seem to think. His philosophy has always struck me as somebody trying to cope with their mistakes more than anything. Whereas the believer might say "everything for a reason," Cohle says "it doesn't matter anyways!" If you were truly a nihilist, then why do you care so much about catching the bad guys? If we'd all be better off dead, why are you so compulsive about stopping somebody helping everyone along?

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See, and I think this is the mindset the writers WANT the viewer to have while the reality is that Cohle is actually the one who is the MOST stable because he has come to grips with his reality. I don't think he is a true nihilist in that nothing matters because he obviously still cares about justice and right and wrong, but he also has a disdain for humanity and our place in the world. The catch is Cohle looks and, on the outside, acts like the one who is a loose cannon, but we have seen that Marty is really the one who struggles in his life and with who he is. Family problems, inattention, affairs, killing a man who was handcuffed on his knees, etc. Even in the stressful situation in Beaumont, Cohle never lost his cool or his composure but was in control the whole time.

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I don't know that they had a true falling out. Maybe more like they just knew too much about each other and every day were reminded of the guilt

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And I think the falling out was another constructed lie. They might have had some disagreement or been too hot to be partners anymore on a day to day basis, but I think they have absolutely been in contact from 2002-2012. The falling out is another exaggeration they built up to cover their tracks and allow Cohle to go rogue and do his work. If they REALLY had a huge falling out to the point where they can't stand each other, I am not sure Marty would still perpetuate the lie that Cohle went to see his dad with leukemia when he went undercover to the drug ring.

I agree and had the same thoughts about Cohle as someone else who posted earlier that there is no way that a guy who disappears for years at a time accidentally got photographed and seen by 5 people at 5 different times in the vicinity of the murder scene. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing. I agree that Cohle has a ton of evidence piled up in that storage shed and WANTS the cops to get a warrant so that it is not swept under the rug like all the other murders. Cohle WANTED to be brought in so he could see 1) what the new detectives had on the Lake Charles case and 2) size up the guys working it now and if they would be trustworthy and bring the evidence to the light instead of puppets.

Seriously, this show makes me think all day. I go through so many scenarios and talk about it with coworkers throughout the day. Cannot wait to see what is revealed on Sunday...

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The catch is Cohle looks and, on the outside, acts like the one who is a loose cannon, but we have seen that Marty is really the one who struggles in his life and with who he is. Family problems, inattention, affairs, killing a man who was handcuffed on his knees, etc. Even in the stressful situation in Beaumont, Cohle never lost his cool or his composure but was in control the whole time.

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Yeah, but he shows up wasted for a dinner with Marty's family.

He's got issues. He does a great job of hiding them and masking them, and the nihilism is another way he covers them, but in my opinion he is every bit as messed up and out of control as Marty - see beating the hell out of that guy in the interrogation and his inability to form any sort of emotional relationship with people.

Just did a rewatch and it is amazing how much you pick up. I was especially looking out for symbols and they are everywhere, especially black stars. Most have been mentioned here but one new one I saw was when the daughter comes home from banging the 2 Dudes the younger daughter is sent to her room. Right in the middle of the younger daughters door is a black star.

There is definitely some connection with those daughters and Marty's family to everything. I am not sure if it is the FiL, Marty, or what though. I do think the 10 point buck reference and the 10 point buck antlers on her seem to be too much of a coincidence.

Part of me thinks it is Marty but the more I think about him the more I have trouble seeing it. Marty is a narcissist but he is just so explosive and prone to losing his cool. I just can't see him carrying out such meticulous murders and being able to keep that good of a front on without Rust figuring it out. Marty just isn't that smart and if it turns out he is then it falls in the category of "he was a genius the whole time who acted like an idiot" and that would go against what the writers have said.

I can't see it being Rust because that seems too easy. There are a lot of things that wouldn't add up there as well.

The next episode should start to reveal a lot.

I can't see it being Rust because the last scene of the last episode where he's walking into an undiscovered room full of his own evidence makes no sense.

Could be wrong, but I think the "10 point buck" reference was made to show that they had to employ stalking / tracking, which was Cohle's hunting expertise. In other words, Cohle led the LeDoux operation and Marty was the follower. And it was another opportunity for Cohle to make a comment that got under Marty's skin - about his unsporting way of hunting.

Anyone got that quote, because it was a pretty funny commentary on blind hunting that I thought used the term "gash scent".

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I can't see it being Rust because the last scene of the last episode where he's walking into an undiscovered room full of his own evidence makes no sense.

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Wait. Did I miss something? I don't remember this.

You really missed him walking into the room at the school to find paintings all over the walls, more stick sculptures, and black stars?

If it was him why would he be examining all this new evidence alone?

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nihilism isn't a revelation

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nihilism isn't a revelation

it's a crutch

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You really missed him walking into the room at the school to find paintings all over the walls, more stick sculptures, and black stars?

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Oh yeah I thought you meant the storage locker. Did anyone else think anything of the way he was examining the pyramid thing? I don't think he is the killer but it seemed almost like he was admiring it. I can't really put my finger on it but something was weird about it to me.

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You really missed him walking into the room at the school to find paintings all over the walls, more stick sculptures, and black stars?

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Oh yeah I thought you meant the storage locker. Did anyone else think anything of the way he was examining the pyramid thing? I don't think he is the killer but it seemed almost like he was admiring it. I can't really put my finger on it but something was weird about it to me.

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I also thought he was admiring it, but I don't think he's the killer. True detectives will almost embrace the challenge with admiration... in a way.




***** Kind of "The Wire" Spoilers below*****








Kind of like in The Wire... when the "new" drug dealers are just talking shop on the phone without using codes or anything... Lestor is almost disappointed that it's so easy to build a case against them.











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Oh yeah I thought you meant the storage locker. Did anyone else think anything of the way he was examining the pyramid thing? I don't think he is the killer but it seemed almost like he was admiring it. I can't really put my finger on it but something was weird about it to me.

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Well, the framing of the shot, with the shaft of sunlight beaming in and him holding it up like he did strongly hinted at religious reverence such as you often see in old Christian paintings.

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Well, the framing of the shot

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Which was also a literal thing. Cohle being "framed" in the window, and also potentially for the murder in 2012.

Haha. Just rewatched it to take this pic, and a pipe organ literally starts playing at the same time as this in the background music.

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(1) I wonder if Cohle collected the stuff from the abandoned school that is the stuff in Cohle's locker.

Commence wild ass theory....

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(2) Cohle stumbles on to the school that Tuttle was involved with. He finds the gear and decides Tuttle is involved. He wants to re-open the case but Marty wants to let it go, clinging to the hope that the case ended when they killed Ledoux and because he doesn't want that story to erode. Cohle goes rogue and drops off the grid because he can't let it go and keeps investigating on his own. He goes undercover to try and get in with the cult. When another body pops up, Cohle knows Tuttle is back at it, so he kills him. Now, he's going to end up framed as the killer because he has all the evidence he's collected (stuff from the school?) in his storage locker.



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^ I definitely see it going down along those lines, probably with an extra twist or two.

YAAA...but the question I'd like to know is what kind of sunglasses are those that Marty wears all the time??

Certainly the obvious reference on the "10 point buck" was that Rust was saying that wasn't really hunting. It's just interesting that Marty mentioned killing a 10 point buck and it turns out the girl at the beginning has a 10 point buck on her head. Why do that if it doesn't have some connection? I also keep going back to the writer's quote that "85% of the story is in the first episode" so I take every image in that episode to mean more.

I think it is too obvious for Rust to have all the clues in his locker and get framed. I also agree with those that say it doesn't add up he tried to join the cult while dropping off the grid because he would never be able to infiltrate it considering how many people know him.

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Haha. Just rewatched it to take this pic, and a pipe organ literally starts playing at the same time as this in the background music.

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That's interesting, if you pay attention when Cohle is walking up to the guy on the mower at the school someone is whistling. It may not mean anything, but it was odd to me that the whistling was so apparent. I wonder if the tunes match?

When Rust and Marty saw the file with the "green eared spaghetti face" guy, did anyone notice the sheriff had several deer mounts on the wall? It's Louisiana so he could just be a hunter and not related at all, but could hint towards the police being in on it...

I dont think he's undercover in the sense that he's pretending he's someone other than Rust Cohle; I think he may be pretending that he is burned out and crazy.

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Certainly the obvious reference on the "10 point buck" was that Rust was saying that wasn't really hunting. It's just interesting that Marty mentioned killing a 10 point buck and it turns out the girl at the beginning has a 10 point buck on her head. Why do that if it doesn't have some connection?

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They may have never even noticed it. It's a tenuous connection, at best, but when you have millions of people analyzing the show they always find little quirks and weird coincidences. 99% of it doesn't mean anything.

The writer also specifically said that he's not going to 'trick' us. Making Marty the killer, in my opinion, would be the ultimate cheap trick. It would go against everything we know about the character.

Im inclined to agree Marty isn't the killer based on the interview with the writer, but I think someone in the Hart family tree has connections to the bad guys irrespective of the daughters. I don't see how Marty's girls could get involved with that cult at such an age without some family member assistance. FIL looks most likely at this point.

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I keep thinking back to when the 2 girls are fishing and the younger one says lets ask Grandpa for help and the older one tells her to be quiet.

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I don't see how Marty's girls could get involved with that cult at such an age without some family member assistance.

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Well, we don't really know they're involved in any cult as of right now.

I mean, I agree with the speculation that they're going to be tied up into all of this somehow, but it could just be as simple as she was molested by somebody else, or she wasn't molested at all. We don't know anything for sure right now.