HBO new series, True Detective
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Last: 2 mo ago by DG-Ag
I read back a few pages - I think this clears it up. GasPasser said it best:
I think a few people thought the Sheriff Geraci was named Childress
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Sheriff Childress...who the fishing boat ex-CID was deputy under (and who is now sheriff of that same Parrish)...certainly must be related to scar face (his Dad?)...who appears to be lawn mower man. And it's apparent the ex-CID is in on it.
I think a few people thought the Sheriff Geraci was named Childress
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If TD is truly a nihilistic narrative (circle theory, the answer be right under your nose, evil repeats itself, etc), I could see an ending that is considered anti-climatic to some. Maybe Rust and Marty kill Errol but the audience gets to see that the rituals and murders just continue in a flash forward.
I fully expect something like this. Just like they got LeDoux only to find out they weren't done, they're going to get Erroll, but won't be done.
Rust understands this already. He discusses it in the "time is a flat circle" conversation in EP 5.
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I could see an ending that is considered anti-climatic to some.
This has already been hinted at by the show's creator Nic Pizzolatto multiple times on Twitter, presumably to preemptively try to lessen the blow of a wet fart ending.
Which makes me wonder why there are so many theories and people thinking everything gets tied up all nice and tidy in the finale. It's not happening. This show is different from the SOP of a series and its finale which quickly and sloppily tries to tie up all loose ends. I am fully expecting many issues to be left to the imagination and debate of the viewers.
well, it would kind of fit with the nihilistic theme. We're not here for a reason. Nothing has neat and tidy resolution. Everything is random.
I would be shocked if the ending didn't leave us all thinking "what was the point of all of that?"
I would be shocked if the ending didn't leave us all thinking "what was the point of all of that?"
saw this on the reddit link someone submitted a couple pages back
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If nothing else I can't see it getting wrapped up because that would mean that the Senator and multiple other people in power go down and there is no indication that Rust or Marty have that kind of pull. I could see them taking out a few chess pieces but the game will go on.
BTW, one of the things I love about the show is how well they get the feel for that part of LA. The visuals are great when you see them driving over the bayous, all the waterways, and the landscape. They also get the people of that area down really well, though we haven't heard many real cajun accents.
LA is a truly beautiful and messed up state at the same time.
BTW, one of the things I love about the show is how well they get the feel for that part of LA. The visuals are great when you see them driving over the bayous, all the waterways, and the landscape. They also get the people of that area down really well, though we haven't heard many real cajun accents.
LA is a truly beautiful and messed up state at the same time.
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I would be shocked if the ending didn't leave us all thinking "what was the point of all of that?"
i'm hoping for more of a "their effort was ultimately fruitless" wire-like resolution than a "haha viewer your life is a time waste" ending
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The visuals are great when you see them driving over the bayous, all the waterways, and the landscape.
and all the chemical plants in the background
the director has been the real stand-out IMO
Sorry for the spoiler, but here's the killer. He also sings the theme song.
I am with the camp that believes that the ending will NOT tie up all the questions and unfortunately will leave 90% of the people on this board unsatisfied.
I do think that it will leave me completely satisfied and will lead me to think and ponder about what happens in the future and I, for one, cannot wait for it.
I know people say "well Nic P. said that he isn't trying to trick us and that audiences have been abused over the years", I think he meant that we have been SPOON FED everything even if there is a twist it's completely explained out afterwards. This is a show that makes you think (makes some people think way to much, hence all the crazy theories) but it makes you look at the world in a different way and for that I thank Nic P. It's been a great ride no matter what happens. Truly the greatest thing I've ever watched on TV.
I do think that it will leave me completely satisfied and will lead me to think and ponder about what happens in the future and I, for one, cannot wait for it.
I know people say "well Nic P. said that he isn't trying to trick us and that audiences have been abused over the years", I think he meant that we have been SPOON FED everything even if there is a twist it's completely explained out afterwards. This is a show that makes you think (makes some people think way to much, hence all the crazy theories) but it makes you look at the world in a different way and for that I thank Nic P. It's been a great ride no matter what happens. Truly the greatest thing I've ever watched on TV.
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I cannot think of anything more insulting as an audience than to go through eight weeks, eight hours with these people, and then to be told it was a lie—that what you were seeing wasn’t really what was happening. The show’s not trying to outsmart you.
was the ending to The Bridge on the River Kwai a lie?
because that's what i'm hoping for.
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i'm hoping for more of a "their effort was ultimately fruitless" wire-like resolution than a "haha viewer your life is a time waste" ending
Agree with this. Much like the Ledoux's earlier, I do think Marty and Rust make another dent into this group - maybe scar man gets taken out. But the overall conspiracy is far bigger and I think they do nothing to take that down. I think the reference to The Wire - partcularly the Greek, may be appropriate. At the end, they take out some soldiers but the game goes on. And that relates to the circle Rust refers to - stuck in a rut of working the case, taking out soldiers, but ultimately ending back at the same point where nothing changes in the big picture.
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Back in 2010, I asked one of my longhorn buddies what he thought about us moving to the SEC. His comment: do you remember the end of The Bridge on the River Kwai?
Funny guy.
Funny guy.
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At the end, they take out some soldiers but the game goes on.
Nail on head.
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do you remember the end of The Bridge on the River Kwai?
Deloss Dodds is John Hammond
That was the revisit: the plunger launched the LHN.
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was the ending to The Bridge on the River Kwai a lie?
Not to derail, but this is one of my favorite films and I have seen it many times. In what sense is (or is not) the ending a "lie"?
it's not a lie
but it's a shocking and satisfying conclusion
"20 years of twist endings" doesn't mean we should be happy with the wet fart
his comments about Chinatown somewhat reflect that, i hope (although i wasn't overly impressed with that particular ending)
but it's a shocking and satisfying conclusion
"20 years of twist endings" doesn't mean we should be happy with the wet fart
his comments about Chinatown somewhat reflect that, i hope (although i wasn't overly impressed with that particular ending)
Nm
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Ah, "shocking and satisfying." I would agree with that. Thanks!
As long as something that isn't tied up in a neat bow isn't considered a wet fart. This show is far too complex to have the expectation that it will come to a clear conclusion.
I hate nicely wrapped up endings. Don't care for a Soprano type ending either, but tidy endings for complex stories are lame.
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Rust has the pictures and video from Tuttle's safe when he broke in back in 2010. I am unsure what Rust's plan is for solving the case since that "evidence" cannot be used in court against Tuttle since it was wrongfully seized.
Break in again, wipe it off and put it back.
Then get a warrant. This is rural Louisiana, after all.
also
dude does have a point
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/02/true-detective-rust-cohle-martin-hart/
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dude does have a point
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/02/true-detective-rust-cohle-martin-hart/
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Hart: Did you see True Detective last week? I thought it was pretty good. Can’t believe there are only two episodes left.
Cohle: The best part of watching True Detective was the infinite moment before we began actually watching True Detective. It was a time before time, when the show’s ambitions had not yet revealed themselves — and so, we were still so completely unaware of how little it would live up to its own ambitions. It was like a beautiful baby yet unborn into this cursed sweep of existence, a theory which did not yet have to prove itself. And now here we are, with two episodes left, and it’s clear that True Detective will never prove itself. It is a whole series of endless conversations about endless topics running endlessly. At least The Killing had sweaters.
Hart: I only got about half of that, Rust. Did you see the episode with the biker gang? With that really long Children of Men shot? That was great.
Cohle: Further evidence that the show is an exercise in empty hyper-masculine stylistics masquerading as philosophical intrigue. Sure, that long shot looked “cool.” It was supposed to look “cool.” You ever seen a peacock strut its stuff in front of the chickens? That looks pretty “cool” too. But the biggest failing of True Detective is that it falls squarely into the tradition of the drama that everyone was complaining about last year. Tough guys, moody conversations, lots of shadows. We all hated Low Winter Sun, but it turns out we hated it because it wasn’t pretentious enough.
Hart: I sort of thought that talk a couple weeks back was interesting. How time is a flat circle? Squash! And it kinda makes sense for the show. Like, it keeps on circling through time — flashbacks, present day, flashbacks to a different time, long conversations inside the flashbacks about stuff that happened to the characters that we never get to see. It’s sorta like Watchmen, if you think about it.
Cohle: You’ve read Watchmen?
Hart: Yes. No.
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Cohle: Sure, sort of like how my acid-flashback visions were supposed to be really important until they weren’t ever brought up again. You ask me, True Detective is all holes in theories. Right now there’s two more episodes, and people are having a merry old time trying to solve the “mystery.” Who is the killer? Who is the Yellow King? Is it one of us? Is it the spooky Reverend? Is it Sideburns Eli Thompson? Is it everybody? Are we gonna stumble into some extradimensional quorum of Elder Gods? A’course, nobody’s pointing out that every possible answer will be disappointing, ’cause we’ll either feel like we got tricked or that it was too obvious. It’ll be just like Lost all over again.
Hart: I think you just can’t groove onto this pretty fun show, and you’re making a big deal about it for no reason. Sure, it’s not perfect. But it’s a whole new kinda thing: A whole miniseries made by the same people, starring big-time actors, that takes a simple concept and throws in the kitchen sink, and some stuff works and some stuff doesn’t. And even though it’s just a short series, it’s already inspired all kindsa things online — the kinda stuff that used to take a show years. It’s funny, it’s dark, it’s less boring than The Walking Dead, it’s less full of itself than House of Cards. I guess I just don’t see a problem here.
Cohle: People love mysteries, but only when they think the answer is important. You mark my words: After the finale, you’ll be talkin’ about how disappointed you are, and I’ll be sittin’ over here, disappointed in you once again. Disappointed in how easy it is for people to get pulled in by fancy talk and pretty faces and moody dudes looking for dead women. It’s a story that’s been told before, that’ll be told again. You could say that, right now, we’re all watching True Detective for the first time, which means that right now, we’re also all realizing just how empty True Detective truly is. It’s all just emptiness, all the way down, one spinning vortex of anti-meaning. The point is, people should just watch Terriers.
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the internet delivers (again)
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for the record, Terriers was awesome.
I'm not even sure what the guy is arguing in that article, superdave. It's too stylistic? Caters to men? Is pretentious? Guaranteeing we'll be disappointed in the end without the author actually seeing the end? Sounds like someone trying way too hard to hate the show.
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for the record, Terriers was awesome.
indeed it was
Terriers, Life, Southland, etc. All shows that died way too soon in recent years.
Throw Party Down in there
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The way he answered the cops stood up after they left didnt give me the impression that he was a dullard.
He reminded me of an evil Forest Gump.
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