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BenFiasco14 said:

So I was remembering incorrectly, but I could've sworn there was a failed attempt to make WOT a tv series in the past - but was thinking about the horrendous attempt at televising the Sword of Shannara trilogy (another series I'm a big fan of). Anyone remember this garbage?




Yeah watched season 1 of that garbage. Had Allanon played by a guy shorter than Tom Cruise.

Also there was a bad Sword of truth series on the CW as well.

My concern is them turning into a show like those where it is aimed at the same audience all those CW DC comics series are aimed at.

GOT didnt do that, but the show/books wasnt entirely about "kids" like this one is. And Prime hasnt really produced a really big budget series yet.

So im hoping for good, but not expecting it
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BenFiasco14 said:

So I was remembering incorrectly, but I could've sworn there was a failed attempt to make WOT a tv series in the past - but was thinking about the horrendous attempt at televising the Sword of Shannara trilogy (another series I'm a big fan of). Anyone remember this garbage?




There was a single episode that aired in the early 2010s late at night on FXX. It was Lews Theron and the Dark one having a battle of words after he went mad. Been a long time since I watched it.

I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: found it

whole episode

article about how nobody had any idea it happened or anything about it
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CapCityAg89 said:

So excited and that cast looks fantastic.

I agree that I don't want a Teen-beat version. Serious question though - the books didn't have language or sex. Would just keeping it close from an action perspective (and the occasional torture with magic) warrant TVMA anyway?
I mean, there's lots of implied sexual stuff. And that's ignoring the fact that every time he describes a woman reaching for the source, he's not so subtly describing an orgasm.

For anyone touting the teen drama aspect, I mean, the actors are basically at the ages that the Two Rivers folks are in the books. Keep in mind that they do start out as teenagers, with Nynaeve a bit older, so casting them to that look is not an indication that it'll be CW-esque at all. I mean, it could be, but it wouldn't fit in the spirit of the work, not with the way the characters all mature across the series.
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bluefire579 said:

CapCityAg89 said:

So excited and that cast looks fantastic.

I agree that I don't want a Teen-beat version. Serious question though - the books didn't have language or sex. Would just keeping it close from an action perspective (and the occasional torture with magic) warrant TVMA anyway?
I mean, there's lots of implied sexual stuff. And that's ignoring the fact that every time he describes a woman reaching for the source, he's not so subtly describing an orgasm.

For anyone touting the teen drama aspect, I mean, the actors are basically at the ages that the Two Rivers folks are in the books. Keep in mind that they do start out as teenagers, with Nynaeve a bit older, so casting them to that look is not an indication that it'll be CW-esque at all. I mean, it could be, but it wouldn't fit in the spirit of the work, not with the way the characters all mature across the series.
Ok I knew I wasn't the only one that equated the source to orgasm! I'm male but I think it applies to both sources. The male has to "walk the razor's edge" and not lose control while the female has to 'relax and let it take over". I always thought that equated to sex but thought I was the only one who made that connection and never really looked into it on the web.

I never looked into Jordan's personal life but it also made me think of the current trendy views of "man bad woman good" of modern society as the male source was the corrupted but women's source was still pure and good.

I am NOT trying to derail or make this a political thread just sharing my 10+ years thoughts on the basis of WOT, which I'm a huge fan of despite it's clear imperfections.
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KidDoc said:

bluefire579 said:

CapCityAg89 said:

So excited and that cast looks fantastic.

I agree that I don't want a Teen-beat version. Serious question though - the books didn't have language or sex. Would just keeping it close from an action perspective (and the occasional torture with magic) warrant TVMA anyway?
I mean, there's lots of implied sexual stuff. And that's ignoring the fact that every time he describes a woman reaching for the source, he's not so subtly describing an orgasm.

For anyone touting the teen drama aspect, I mean, the actors are basically at the ages that the Two Rivers folks are in the books. Keep in mind that they do start out as teenagers, with Nynaeve a bit older, so casting them to that look is not an indication that it'll be CW-esque at all. I mean, it could be, but it wouldn't fit in the spirit of the work, not with the way the characters all mature across the series.
Ok I knew I wasn't the only one that equated the source to orgasm! I'm male but I think it applies to both sources. The male has to "walk the razor's edge" and not lose control while the female has to 'relax and let it take over". I always thought that equated to sex but thought I was the only one who made that connection and never really looked into it on the web.

I never looked into Jordan's personal life but it also made me think of the current trendy views of "man bad woman good" of modern society as the male source was the corrupted but women's source was still pure and good.

I am NOT trying to derail or make this a political thread just sharing my 10+ years thoughts on the basis of WOT, which I'm a huge fan of despite it's clear imperfections.
Oh yeah, it's pretty well discussed if you look into years of internet boards. It's definitely not an original idea of mine.

As far as the corruption of the male side, I see it less of the "man bad woman good" and more of just the psychological/biological approach to sex, with men corrupted in the sense that they're driven by it to the point of losing control (i.e. the biological need to spread their DNA) and women are more in control (i.e. the willingness to wait and accept a mate they find acceptable). Maybe a bit simplified, but basically how I've interpreted it from my view.

Regardless, I do think it will be interesting to see how they depict that difference, particularly when it comes to the false dragons. Those guys always struck me as basically the fantasy version of incels, particularly Mazrim.
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Don't forget the BDSM aspect of the damane
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schmendeler said:

Don't forget the BDSM aspect of the damane
I mean, to be fair, those women were mostly not there of their own volition
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Very excited for this!

Just like OP, I thought there was definitely a thread somewhere on it... might have a look.

There is a ridiculous amount of material and so many story arcs! Can't wait to see how they do it. But also hope it's actually worth it.
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The produce behind the series, Rafe Judkins, is a huge fan of the series. Brandon Sanderson read the first two episodes scripts and said they were excellent. They also went after a known actress in Rosamund Pike as Moiraine.

I really believe that Amazon is putting the resources to make this as successful as GoT. I'm honestly not worried about a repeat of Shannara Chronicles.
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Huge WoT fan. Will be following closely and will probably enjoy it even if it sucks.
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We have a ways to go. Filming is suppose to start next month in Prague and wrap in May next year. First episode to air sometime next September.
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What's a short summary of the plot for these books?. I read all of GOT and loved them and am almost finished with the red rising series which is really good as well. Same genre of book?

Sounds like these books have a ton of fluff so I may just wait for the show on this one.
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They can take their time as long as they do it right.
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mavsfan4ever said:

What's a short summary of the plot for these books?. I read all of GOT and loved them and am almost finished with the red rising series which is really good as well. Same genre of book?

Sounds like these books have a ton of fluff so I may just wait for the show on this one.
It's much more Tolkien-esque in nature. Basically the Wheel of Time is the idea that time is always cyclical, so there's an evil entity (Dark One) and the powerful wizard who is reincarnated to fight him (Dragon Reborn). Basically, the saga is about the Dragon Reborn, and everything he and his friends go through in trying to fight the Dark One.

There's a lot more to it, but that's the very high level what the story is about.
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It is worth reading the first 4 or 5 books, then skip to the last 3 and just read wiki summaries of 6-9 (give or take been years since I've read them).
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Just curious then, is there a point to the story if the dark one always comes back and the struggle never stops?
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tv1113 said:

Just curious then, is there a point to the story if the dark one always comes back and the struggle never stops?
This cycle is supposed to be the final battle. Tarrmon Gai'don.

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tv1113 said:

Just curious then, is there a point to the story if the dark one always comes back and the struggle never stops?


It's like Matrix or Dark Tower, it's a cycle until the reincarnated chosen one finally figure it out and gets it right. This is overlong story of getting it right.
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KidDoc said:

It is worth reading the first 4 or 5 books, then skip to the last 3 and just read wiki summaries of 6-9 (give or take been years since I've read them).
As I recall, 6 is still decent, but it's 7-10 that really get into the slide. I believe 10 is pretty widely seen as the worst of them all, with 11 starting to pick back up (the last one before Sanderson took over).

Fun fact: it was initially pitched as a trilogy by Jordan, but Jordan's agent knew he was long winded, so pitched it to the publisher as longer, 5 or 6, I think.
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Just stumbled across this for anyone looking to dip their toes in: https://nerdist.com/article/wheel-of-time-everything-you-need-to-know/
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Robert Jordan has a very descriptive writing style as paints the world he created. For some, it was too much. I really enjoyed it as his works came to life in my imagination.

Books 8 - 10 do drag, but they still have very climatic events that you don't want to pass.

So the TV series can show in two second what Jordan took 5 pages to describe and still get the point across.

He also got bogged down in side plots. Some of these will be condensed or even cut to keep the show moving.

In the end, they will aim for a GoT feel and not have the problem GoT had when it reached the end of the published source material and faltered at the end.
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Book 6 - Lord of Chaos is fantastic and indispensable to the overall story. It also has one of the best chapters (55- Dumai's Wells) and easily the best line in the entire series.
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I'm skeptical they will stay true enough to the books to make it interesting. Cramming two books into ten episodes makes me think they're going to *******ize the hell out of it. The first three books are fantastic and don't need to be cut down like some of the later books need.
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I would say the series really slows in books 8-10, with 10 being the worst offender. The good news is those are some of the shortest books in the series, and certain portions of them are awesome and carry huge implications for the rest of the series and the eventual ending. Yes, they meander a lot at times, but some of those scenes are indispensable in the grand scheme.
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91_Aggie said:

BenFiasco14 said:

So I was remembering incorrectly, but I could've sworn there was a failed attempt to make WOT a tv series in the past - but was thinking about the horrendous attempt at televising the Sword of Shannara trilogy (another series I'm a big fan of). Anyone remember this garbage?




Yeah watched season 1 of that garbage. Had Allanon played by a guy shorter than Tom Cruise.

Also there was a bad Sword of truth series on the CW as well.

My concern is them turning into a show like those where it is aimed at the same audience all those CW DC comics series are aimed at.

GOT didnt do that, but the show/books wasnt entirely about "kids" like this one is. And Prime hasnt really produced a really big budget series yet.

So im hoping for good, but not expecting it


Most of the main players in GOT were fifteen or younger in the book.
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And they should've cast somebody with much bigger cans for Nyneave. That would've been my main requirement for her.
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bangobango said:

And they should've cast somebody with much bigger cans for Nyneave. That would've been my main requirement for her.

I loved how Jordan described this - she was always "frustrated" that a borrowed dress was "too tight on top and too loose on bottom."
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Well, based on the casting call notes and the TVMA rating, you will probably get a chance to judge for yourself.

Edit- Meant that as a reply to Bango.
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c-jags said:

BenFiasco14 said:

So I was remembering incorrectly, but I could've sworn there was a failed attempt to make WOT a tv series in the past - but was thinking about the horrendous attempt at televising the Sword of Shannara trilogy (another series I'm a big fan of). Anyone remember this garbage?




There was a single episode that aired in the early 2010s late at night on FXX. It was Lews Theron and the Dark one having a battle of words after he went mad. Been a long time since I watched it.

I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: found it

whole episode

article about how nobody had any idea it happened or anything about it
that pilot is terrible.
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Also very strange that Billy Zane was in it. That's a pretty hard fall from Titanic.
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I started a re-read of the series due to this thread. How do you guys think they will present the warder's cloak?
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It's been a while since I have read the description but I'm hoping it's magic, changing slowly to camouflage/mask against whichever background it is near.

A static camou pattern would be a cheesy letdown

Edit to add- a letdown and a possible military complex allusion
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Or the Myrddaal that are so plain that you can't really look at them.
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KidDoc said:

I started a re-read of the series due to this thread. How do you guys think they will present the warder's cloak?


Good question. No idea but it might be something that isn't pursued. I mean it works in the books but isn't necessary for the story overall.
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AtlAg05 said:

Or the Myrddaal that are so plain that you can't really look at them.


Myrddaal inspire fear. Grey men you can't see.
 
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