And plus it wasn't like Jordan had a lily white cast of characters either. The lands different people come from is a big part of it. Although it looks like they are staying true with the Aiel.
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I agree. There were plenty of options for diversity that makes sense here, especially among Aes Sedai, Children of the Light, and the numerous major characters that are from different places later, as well as the Forsaken, Seanchan, etc later. The fact that every town weve seen feels like its inhabited by the cast of a Disney Channel musical is harming the world building.
JJxvi said:
I agree. There were plenty of options for diversity that makes sense here, especially among Aes Sedai, Children of the Light, and the numerous major characters that are from different places later, as well as the Forsaken, Seanchan, etc later. The fact that every town weve seen feels like its inhabited by the cast of a Disney Channel musical is harming the world building.
Yup. Especially with the Aiel tie in. The Aiel people are supposed to look like to these people as we might look at a space alien. Welp. Can't do that since the Starbucks near the recording studio is the cast. So let's focus on the mask up or down. Sigh.
So much potential lost. At least it gave some liberals a warm fuzzy feeling.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
The costume design makes me think of the old Hercules and Xena TV series. So low budget. Rand looked like he was wearing a Cardigan sweater the whole first episode.
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BenFiasco14 said:
I have a question about Thom. Now it has been nearly a decade since I've read the books, but I seem to recall his multi colored cloak was all over, wasn't it? The show gave the fan service with us seeing the inner jacket multi colored patches. But I always imagined thom wearing a more elegant equivalent of a Twister game board as his cloak.
Am I just misremembering?
You are right, that was one thing I remember as well. I think it was almost a uniform for being a gleeman.
As was discussed ad nauseum pages back, it's a made up fantasy world, with a mythology heavily based in cultures from around the world, particularly Asia. If colored people being there is a problem for you, don't ****ing watch it.swc93 said:
Glad to see the **** showrunners from early SyFy channel shows are still employeed. Good for them!
Also when I read the books and pictured Two Rivers, a small farming/hunting community tucked away from the rest of the world; ethnic diversity was not what came to mind.
Amazon going to work in black and asian elves when they present their LOTR show as well?
You are correct- the multicolor patches are all over the cloak and he flourishes it constantly.BenFiasco14 said:
I have a question about Thom. Now it has been nearly a decade since I've read the books, but I seem to recall his multi colored cloak was all over, wasn't it? The show gave the fan service with us seeing the inner jacket multi colored patches. But I always imagined thom wearing a more elegant equivalent of a Twister game board as his cloak.
Am I just misremembering?
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Brandon Sanderson talked about his thoughts on the episodes https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/qy2r52/some_thoughts_from_brandon_episode_two/
He links to some of his other posts as well. Nice insight into some of the story changes and the thought process that went into them.boboguitar said:
Brandon Sanderson talked about his thoughts on the episodes https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/qy2r52/some_thoughts_from_brandon_episode_two/
javajaws said:
I'm not always opposed to Hollywood adding in artificial diversity...but in this case it just doesn't really work. They go out of their way to force it in there to the detriment of feeling connected to something unique/different. Add to that (as a previous comment alluded to) the teen romance feel of things and a general "too sterile" approach to everything...it just feels lifeless so far.
Not that any of that will stop me from watching all of it lol.
I've said it in this thread before and I'll say it again. In 1990 RJ had a book that had many represented races, interracial relationships, homosexual relationships, and the matriarchy literally ruling the world. Yet today's jackasses still felt the need to put a 2021 spin on it.
Also, there's plenty of sex. There was 0 reason to have Rand and Egwene having sex. It completely ruins the dynamics of the relationship. And to be honest adds to the aforementioned sterility.
I've been drinking and grilling. I probably need to stahp.
I watched it by myself and I'll watch again with the wife just see if she has any similar thoughts having not read the book.
Accidentally posted this on the other thread but realized THIS is the thread where we can discuss the books. I get the arguments people are making about the diversity of a small village that's supposed to be tucked away from the world, but so far they haven't emphasized just how cut off the Two Rivers is from the rest of the world. Geographically, it's pretty isolated with very few ways in, but they didn't really mention that.
I think the most important thing is that Rand looks different from the rest of the Two Rivers folk. They still did that, and they've already mentioned that red hair is rarely seen outside of the Aiel.
I think the most important thing is that Rand looks different from the rest of the Two Rivers folk. They still did that, and they've already mentioned that red hair is rarely seen outside of the Aiel.
I went from 'could be worse' to 'hey it's really not bad at all'.
Rand looking out at Shadar Logoth was breathtaking, almost 25 years after I read the first book. The Two Rivers, Whitecloaks, Tinkers, and other groups more or less was portrayed alright, weaving of the One Power was very well done.
That being said I have no clue if non book readers will be hooked, especially with the lack of lore telling
Also, is it me or is the Lews Therin going to end up the same as the books? I don't see much evidence there will be a change and am still hoping Raf was just trying to cause misdirection.
Rand looking out at Shadar Logoth was breathtaking, almost 25 years after I read the first book. The Two Rivers, Whitecloaks, Tinkers, and other groups more or less was portrayed alright, weaving of the One Power was very well done.
That being said I have no clue if non book readers will be hooked, especially with the lack of lore telling
Also, is it me or is the Lews Therin going to end up the same as the books? I don't see much evidence there will be a change and am still hoping Raf was just trying to cause misdirection.
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Big fan of the books. Finished episode 3 tonight. Characters are spot on imo, really well done. A few minor complaints but I'm stoked so far.
Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
DCPD158 said:
The costume design makes me think of the old Hercules and Xena TV series. So low budget. Rand looked like he was wearing a Cardigan sweater the whole first episode.
It's not even clear to me from watching that it has five times the budget of GoT? The costumes are like bad renaissance fair getups and I can't get over how terrible the various wigs and fake beards look. Maybe GoT has ruined me for this because they figured out that someone couldn't have an unblemished white costume if we're supposed to believe they've been riding a horse through the woods for several weeks, but it all looks so obviously like the actors are living in a world with modern sensibilities and playing dress up. The four kids especially look like they're staring in a CW show.
I am torn. I am enjoying the show, but I have zero trust in the writers not to completely ruin the story before it is all said and done, just based on the changes that they've already made.
My parents never read the books and they've watched and were telling me how much they enjoy it. My brother in law didn't even like gane of thrones but he's intrigued so far.
My parents never read the books and they've watched and were telling me how much they enjoy it. My brother in law didn't even like gane of thrones but he's intrigued so far.
AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
In the third episode I wish Rand's escape in White Bridge from Dana the Darkfriend was more "explosive" as it was in the book. The way they did it wasn't as foreshadowing.
Maveric said:
In the third episode I wish Rand's escape in White Bridge from Dana the Darkfriend was more "explosive" as it was in the book. The way they did it wasn't as foreshadowing.
I said the same thing to my wife, but she pointed out him breaking down the iron door, which I think is th replacement foreshadowing. It appears they are really going to lean into the mystery aspect of who is the Dragon Reborn. The book event may just be too obvious for the show.
AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
If I remember correctly the wall was destroyed by a lightening blast.bangobango said:Maveric said:
In the third episode I wish Rand's escape in White Bridge from Dana the Darkfriend was more "explosive" as it was in the book. The way they did it wasn't as foreshadowing.
I said the same thing to my wife, but she pointed out him breaking down the iron door, which I think is th replacement foreshadowing. It appears they are really going to lean into the mystery aspect of who is the Dragon Reborn. The book event may just be too obvious for the show.
Maveric said:If I remember correctly the wall was destroyed by a lightening blast.bangobango said:Maveric said:
In the third episode I wish Rand's escape in White Bridge from Dana the Darkfriend was more "explosive" as it was in the book. The way they did it wasn't as foreshadowing.
I said the same thing to my wife, but she pointed out him breaking down the iron door, which I think is th replacement foreshadowing. It appears they are really going to lean into the mystery aspect of who is the Dragon Reborn. The book event may just be too obvious for the show.
Right, but rather than have that the show had Rand knock that door down after that lady said there was no way he could knock it down.
Sorry if not clear, not sure how much spoilers we can do on here.
bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
AtlAg05 said:bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
I just remember Saidar would talk about a flower blooming or something like that, not a river like Moraine was saying.
But I do remember the surrender versus fighting difference that you're talking about.
I am pretty sure it was stated earlier that this is the thread for those of us who have read the books.bangobango said:Maveric said:If I remember correctly the wall was destroyed by a lightening blast.bangobango said:Maveric said:
In the third episode I wish Rand's escape in White Bridge from Dana the Darkfriend was more "explosive" as it was in the book. The way they did it wasn't as foreshadowing.
I said the same thing to my wife, but she pointed out him breaking down the iron door, which I think is th replacement foreshadowing. It appears they are really going to lean into the mystery aspect of who is the Dragon Reborn. The book event may just be too obvious for the show.
Right, but rather than have that the show had Rand knock that door down after that lady said there was no way he could knock it down.
Sorry if not clear, not sure how much spoilers we can do on here.
When Ny'naeve is using the Choedan Kal I believe she touches saidin through the female statue that she refers to it as a battle.bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
I just remember Saidar would talk about a flower blooming or something like that, not a river like Moraine was saying.
But I do remember the surrender versus fighting difference that you're talking about.
That's exactly it. If the One Source is love, saidar is "The Rose" by Bette Midler (though Conway Twitty's version is better), and saidin is "Love Is A Battlefield" by Pat Benatar. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.AtlAg05 said:bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
AtlAg05 said:bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
Wonder if it was based on saidins, nature, or because there was nobody to teach you about it, and anyone who could was probably unstable
Wtf. I've read the series 15 times. This was *****
I believe you are correct; that is why Rand captured Asmodean and had him instruct him in how use saidin since the Forsaken are free of the taint.CondensedFoggyAggie said:AtlAg05 said:bangobango said:AtlAg05 said:AustinScubaAg said:PatAg said:Explain your takeAustinScubaAg said:
In general felt 2021 SJ take on the material. Many of the changes so far made no sense.
Also the wife found it slow and uninteresting.
Well lets start with the whole introduction monolog and the cause of the breaking combined with the introduction of liliandrin before for any of the main characters.
The dragon could be male or female
The changing of egwenes age ( was 2 years yonger than the boys) so she could be tavern and potentially the dragon.
The motivations of the red ajah and ths source being only for women.
The funny thing is, it's more impressive Egwene NOT being ta'averen based on her story arc in the books.
As far as the Reds and the source, hasn't it been thousands of years since the breaking? I could give some leeway that it would be only referred to for women only. But they have to introduce saidin/saidar otherwise the whole concept of the taint on saidin doesn't make sense.
I agree, but the way Moraine was describing how to channel to Egwene reminded me more of how the been described channeling than the women. Anybody else pick up on that, or am I remembering wrong?
Saidar was all about surrendering, saidin was more of a battle based on the books.
Wonder if it was based on saidins, nature, or because there was nobody to teach you about it, and anyone who could was probably unstable
Not going to read through 25 pages to make sure no one else *****ed about it.Madmarttigan said:
Congrats on being the first to complain about the obvious.
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