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So discussing messed up changes is too much for ya? Not much of a fan then I guess. Don't hate on those of that are.
As someone that has not read the books just watched the show, I think Egwynne is a huge miscast. That actress is just not good.
Out of all the changes, Rand and Egwene banging is probably last on the list of "messed up" changes.mpl35 said:
So discussing messed up changes is too much for ya? Not much of a fan then I guess. Don't hate on those of that are.
The weird "change" is in the Two Rivers. They decided not to portray it as buttoned up, but instead as party town village.
Maybe she will grow into the role, but she seems like a miscast so farFurlock Bones said:
As someone that has not read the books just watched the show, I think Egwynne is a huge miscast. That actress is just not good.
opinions bro. Thumbs down to yours as well. I'd love to hear all the other changes you think are worse than the relationship and motivation for large parts of the first half the series.The Dog Lord said:Out of all the changes, Rand and Egwene banging is probably last on the list of "messed up" changes.mpl35 said:
So discussing messed up changes is too much for ya? Not much of a fan then I guess. Don't hate on those of that are.
Um...maybe the whole part about women being able to be the dragon reborn?!?mpl35 said:opinions bro. Thumbs down to yours as well. I'd love to hear all the other changes you think are worse than the relationship and motivation for large parts of the first half the series.The Dog Lord said:Out of all the changes, Rand and Egwene banging is probably last on the list of "messed up" changes.mpl35 said:
So discussing messed up changes is too much for ya? Not much of a fan then I guess. Don't hate on those of that are.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
Don't give me one change you think is worse and sit back like you made a good point. I'm here for the long haul. I first got into the WOT 30 years ago. Read the series over with each new book. I'm ready to discuss all of it as long as it does not go shannara…
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
Don't give me one change you think is worse and sit back like you made a good point. I'm here for the long haul. I first got into the WOT 30 years ago. Read the series over with each new book. I'm ready to discuss all of it as long as it does not go shannara…
mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
Now we are talking.Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
1. Same issue. Egwene too old... sex....all to maker her one of 4 main characters.
2. Perrin...strange and a weird attempt to grad the audience on "loss" early on. Can be ok but dumb for sure.
3. Some already did. works with shortening the explanations and the world building.
4. agreed. bad call and pointless. except to kill the good nuclear family
5. nope. The Rand and Egwene relationship is one of the key parts of the series long plot. Thanks for the response. I disagree but I don't think of them impacting the central relationships as much. The internal dynamics of the leader of the AS and the Dragon are bigger than anything you mentioned since they are so key to understanding the motivations of our main group
I need to clarify my first point. My beef isn't that there are 4 ta'veren. My issue is that there are rumors at all about ta'veren at all.
Morraine and Lan had to track down leads for 20 years to find them. There shouldn't be rumors of anyone in the two rivers yet. Only Morraine and Padan Fain should have any inkling about the situation after extensive research.
Once we get to Egwene being official AS and the last battle all that matters is that there was an existing relationship with Rand and Egwene.
Morraine and Lan had to track down leads for 20 years to find them. There shouldn't be rumors of anyone in the two rivers yet. Only Morraine and Padan Fain should have any inkling about the situation after extensive research.
Once we get to Egwene being official AS and the last battle all that matters is that there was an existing relationship with Rand and Egwene.
The Perrin killing his wife thing seems like it's there to set up the internal conflict about the axe more easily than the way it happens in the book with Hopper and the Whitecloaks. They devoted a decent amount of time in episode 4 to him learning about the Way of the Leaf and specifically brought the axe up. It's an awkward change, but I can get over it.
The changes to the Rand/Egwene relationship are annoying, but again, something I can work around. It won't change all that much long-term.
The four ta'veren/possible female Dragon changes definitely bug me the most, but I'm guessing a lot of that is cleared up after season 1 and the actual Dragon is revealed. It won't matter much past that. Calling Egwene a ta'veren will be believable since crazy stuff happens to her in the books too.
I'm happy they've confirmed we're getting a saidin/saidar explanation later this season. Skipping that would have been worse than all of the above, I think.
The changes to the Rand/Egwene relationship are annoying, but again, something I can work around. It won't change all that much long-term.
The four ta'veren/possible female Dragon changes definitely bug me the most, but I'm guessing a lot of that is cleared up after season 1 and the actual Dragon is revealed. It won't matter much past that. Calling Egwene a ta'veren will be believable since crazy stuff happens to her in the books too.
I'm happy they've confirmed we're getting a saidin/saidar explanation later this season. Skipping that would have been worse than all of the above, I think.
I just honestly don't think of Rand and Egwene's relationship being as big of a deal. They pretty quickly move away from the romantic portion even though they still care about one another. I think the others that could be more impactful at this point include (some already mentioned by others):mpl35 said:opinions bro. Thumbs down to yours as well. I'd love to hear all the other changes you think are worse than the relationship and motivation for large parts of the first half the series.The Dog Lord said:Out of all the changes, Rand and Egwene banging is probably last on the list of "messed up" changes.mpl35 said:
So discussing messed up changes is too much for ya? Not much of a fan then I guess. Don't hate on those of that are.
- Blurring the lines between the male/female dynamic of the DR. I understand the reason for including the others for suspense purposes, but that really only lasts for season 1. They are discussing the differences in relation to the power in terms of the taint, but I'm curious as to whether they are going to differentiate between saidin and saidar. If they do, then they would have to explain how Egwene or Nynaeve would have needed to have a "male" soul in order to potentially be corrupted.
- Mentioning there are ta'veren. I don't even have a problem with them saying 4/5, but just mentioning ta'veren so casually was surprising. Ta'veren is such a huge deal. I feel like she could have just told Lan that they were going there because she had a lead based on old records (from New Spring) or just using "the old blood runs deep there" as an excuse.
- Being able to touch the power while shielded, although I can see this being an easier way to get around the many "someone is shielded" plot points later on. People shielded in the books were ****ed in most cases. This gives them more of a chance in these situations, but the utter hopelessness from being shielded was what made it so impactful in the books.
- Mat being more of a desperate thief than a trickster, although there is still plenty of time for his character to transition into that role after he is healed.
- Nynaeve showing such raw healing power when she has such a strong mental block in the books. They could circle back to the block still though. Maybe she will have one of her stubborn spells and refuse to acknowledge what happened.
I'm gonna add Thom's cloak to that list...because dammit there's no reason for them to change it!!!Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
I didn't know they had confirmed that! I'm very happy to hear this.Chase McGuire said:
The Perrin killing his wife thing seems like it's there to set up the internal conflict about the axe more easily than the way it happens in the book with Hopper and the Whitecloaks. They devoted a decent amount of time in episode 4 to him learning about the Way of the Leaf and specifically brought the axe up. It's an awkward change, but I can get over it.
The changes to the Rand/Egwene relationship are annoying, but again, something I can work around. It won't change all that much long-term.
The four ta'veren/possible female Dragon changes definitely bug me the most, but I'm guessing a lot of that is cleared up after season 1 and the actual Dragon is revealed. It won't matter much past that. Calling Egwene a ta'veren will be believable since crazy stuff happens to her in the books too.
I'm happy they've confirmed we're getting a saidin/saidar explanation later this season. Skipping that would have been worse than all of the above, I think.
Oh and some mentioned the lack of "blood and blood ashes" so far. We better get that soon.javajaws said:I'm gonna add Thom's cloak to that list...because dammit there's no reason for them to change it!!!Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
Pulls braid.
The Dog Lord said:Oh and some mentioned the lack of "blood and blood ashes" so far. We better get that soon.javajaws said:I'm gonna add Thom's cloak to that list...because dammit there's no reason for them to change it!!!Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
I've actually been kinda shocked at the gore at some moments. Mainly the trollocs eating each other's' innards.
Chase McGuire said:
https://twitter.com/dragonmount/status/1464460009241145345?t=U7D2YM6TR9P5Z6H2tEN0SA&s=19
Thanks for posting I missed this.
Regarding Logain. He can identify ta'veren so that has to be the explanation right? Nyneave wasn't in the books but may be in the show (I don't have an issue with it).
Showrunner said in either an interview or an AMA that we'll see that soon.The Dog Lord said:Oh and some mentioned the lack of "blood and blood ashes" so far. We better get that soon.javajaws said:I'm gonna add Thom's cloak to that list...because dammit there's no reason for them to change it!!!Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
c-jags said:The Dog Lord said:Oh and some mentioned the lack of "blood and blood ashes" so far. We better get that soon.javajaws said:I'm gonna add Thom's cloak to that list...because dammit there's no reason for them to change it!!!Independent George said:mpl35 said:
Changes. Plural.
I'd agree that one is obviously idiotic. That is all tied up with Egwene being too old and possibly being the Dragon.
The fact that Morraine heard "Rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers"
Perrin killing his wife. Perrin having a wife already.
Whitecloaks believe in trollocs already
Mats parents being crappy, I loved book Abel and Tam together.
All changes worse and bigger than Rand and Egwene's relationship being enhanced.
I've actually been kinda shocked at the gore at some moments. Mainly the trollocs eating each other's' innards.
My kids thought it was offal too.
Here's where they'd be groaning at me.
Blue star for this take.
oUCH pic.twitter.com/zDFKgYmIW7
— Wheel of Time Memes (@TheWheelWeaver) November 20, 2021
Faustus said:
Pulls braid.
smooths skirt
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
I can't wait for the ear boxing threats!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
Nice. I'd forgotten that one.
javajaws said:
I can't wait for the ear boxing threats!
I forgot about the ear boxing. I really need to reread the books. It's been over a decade
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
BenFiasco14 said:Faustus said:
Pulls braid.
smooths skirt
Folds arms under breasts.
Maveric said:BenFiasco14 said:Faustus said:
Pulls braid.
smooths skirt
Folds arms under breasts.
Amazing
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Spoilers alert!!!!
I have heard that Mat is not in the last two episodes of this season. My guess is that he will stay in TV and he will be healed at the beginning of season 2. With Rafes comments that this will be an 8 season series and we have to condense a bunch, what gets cut from The Great Hunt and Dragon Reborn? If mat is healed early, do they skip Falme and wait to introduce the Seanchan in Season 3?
I have heard that Mat is not in the last two episodes of this season. My guess is that he will stay in TV and he will be healed at the beginning of season 2. With Rafes comments that this will be an 8 season series and we have to condense a bunch, what gets cut from The Great Hunt and Dragon Reborn? If mat is healed early, do they skip Falme and wait to introduce the Seanchan in Season 3?
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