Yeah, he's there at the festival. They were talking about crossing the river in the video, which is when they leave Two Rivers, and Thom is definitely there for that.
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The first episode will probably take us to Baerlon. If they don't cut Thom's character, he will be in the first episode.
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From the video above it looks like the first episode ends when the group crosses the Taren, Moiraine torches the ferry, and I'd guess it goes to black as Rand sees a Draghkar (I realize that in the books the Draghkar first appears before they got to Taren Ferry, but it seems like a good cliffhanger close to the first episode to set the tone for Baerlon and Shadar Logoth.)
The second episode is call "Place of Safety". So it will focus on Shadar Logoth and their escape from it. I think they will get to Baerlon and it will end with them leaving on their way out after the mydraal spoke to Rand.
Could be wrong. I still think they are cramming the first two books in the first season. If not, then I agree, Baerlon will be in episode two. But episode 6 is titled Flame of Tar Valon, which matches the first major sequence in the second book.
Could be wrong. I still think they are cramming the first two books in the first season. If not, then I agree, Baerlon will be in episode two. But episode 6 is titled Flame of Tar Valon, which matches the first major sequence in the second book.
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Wow. I didn't realize that 5 episodes a book was the plan. That's honestly not encouraging.
In that case you're probably right about episode 1.
In that case you're probably right about episode 1.
I've read differing opinions on this. The guys at Dragonmount think the first season will be the first book. Which is what I wanted. But after they released some of the episode titles, it lent credence that they would cover the first two books in 10 episodes in season 1. They could be teasing or rearranging the plot line and I could be wrong.
But episode 5 is called the Dragon Reborn - a fitting title for the end of the Eye of the World. The title for episode 6 is Flame of Tar Valon - a fitting title for the start of the Great Hunt.
So, two books per season for 7 seasons. I was hoping they would have one season dedicated to the first and last books and cram the other 12 books into 5 seasons - which can easily be done and would help condense the slog.
We will see.
But episode 5 is called the Dragon Reborn - a fitting title for the end of the Eye of the World. The title for episode 6 is Flame of Tar Valon - a fitting title for the start of the Great Hunt.
So, two books per season for 7 seasons. I was hoping they would have one season dedicated to the first and last books and cram the other 12 books into 5 seasons - which can easily be done and would help condense the slog.
We will see.
How in the hell do y'all remember these finite details from novels like which characters are in which chapters? Did all of you just finish reading the first book or are you looking it up?
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
I'm on book #2 of my re-read haha.YouBet said:
How in the hell do y'all remember these finite details from novels like which characters are in which chapters? Did all of you just finish reading the first book or are you looking it up?
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
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I'm a huge fan. I got the first book as a Christmas present 1990. Loved it, immediately re-read it. I would re-read the entire series before each book came out. In the long break between Jordan dying and Sanderson, there were probably a couple more re-reads for me. I've probably read the first book 25-30 times.
I'm that big of a nerd. These books mean a lot to me.
I'm that big of a nerd. These books mean a lot to me.
Jesus, the time commitment to do this. This is something else I've never understood people doing. But to each his own!Micah97 said:
I'm a huge fan. I got the first book as a Christmas present 1990. Loved it, immediately re-read it. I would re-read the entire series before each book came out. In the long break between Jordan dying and Sanderson, there were probably a couple more re-reads for me. I've probably read the first book 25-30 times.
I'm that big of a nerd. These books mean a lot to me.
I am currently on Book 11 of reread number 3. I have never read any other book series more than once. I catch new things every time and get a different experience out of it too. Definitely not for everyone and I find it weird myself.
I am onboard with 5 episodes per book at least for now. Plot wise you can speed through the first book pretty quick.
I am onboard with 5 episodes per book at least for now. Plot wise you can speed through the first book pretty quick.
I've re-read book one 10-12 times I bet. But in the specific case Mat (maybe Perrin) were excited to talk about the visitors to Edmonds Field to Rand. So they when they hear Fain roll in and give his little speech it is memorable. Then Thom comes out of the inn pissed off because the Nyneave ran him out of the meeting about what to do with all the troubles. Thom runs into the boys, they are excited and tell him about the peddler. Thom disparages Fain a bit for carrying bad news fast. Then Thom has to put on an impromptu show since a crowd has gathered. He ends it abruptly when he recognized Moraine as being Aes Sedai.YouBet said:
How in the hell do y'all remember these finite details from novels like which characters are in which chapters? Did all of you just finish reading the first book or are you looking it up?
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
And you would remember that today after the first time you read it however many years ago? Could totally be a function of me having poor memory but this is in no way memorable to me.mpl35 said:I've re-read book one 10-12 times I bet. But in the specific case Mat (maybe Perrin) were excited to talk about the visitors to Edmonds Field to Rand. So they when they hear Fain roll in and give his little speech it is memorable. Then Thom comes out of the inn pissed off because the Nyneave ran him out of the meeting about what to do with all the troubles. Thom runs into the boys, they are excited and tell him about the peddler. Thom disparages Fain a bit for carrying bad news fast. Then Thom has to put on an impromptu show since a crowd has gathered. He ends it abruptly when he recognized Moraine as being Aes Sedai.YouBet said:
How in the hell do y'all remember these finite details from novels like which characters are in which chapters? Did all of you just finish reading the first book or are you looking it up?
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
I read about 20 pages last night in the latest book I read. Have no idea what chapter I'm on or even remember all the particulars. I can tell you the general happenings of those 20 pages and that's it.
Sorry for hammering on this. I guess I'm just jealous of other peoples ability to remember what is to me photographic memory level of insignificant things!
Probably not. It is a function of being one of my favorite series, a very memorable scene, and multiple reads. I've read other books that I barely remember!
YouBet said:And you would remember that today after the first time you read it however many years ago? Could totally be a function of me having poor memory but this is in no way memorable to me.mpl35 said:I've re-read book one 10-12 times I bet. But in the specific case Mat (maybe Perrin) were excited to talk about the visitors to Edmonds Field to Rand. So they when they hear Fain roll in and give his little speech it is memorable. Then Thom comes out of the inn pissed off because the Nyneave ran him out of the meeting about what to do with all the troubles. Thom runs into the boys, they are excited and tell him about the peddler. Thom disparages Fain a bit for carrying bad news fast. Then Thom has to put on an impromptu show since a crowd has gathered. He ends it abruptly when he recognized Moraine as being Aes Sedai.YouBet said:
How in the hell do y'all remember these finite details from novels like which characters are in which chapters? Did all of you just finish reading the first book or are you looking it up?
I read a book and forget everything but the main plot within a day of finishing a book.
I read about 20 pages last night in the latest book I read. Have no idea what chapter I'm on or even remember all the particulars. I can tell you the general happenings of those 20 pages and that's it.
Sorry for hammering on this. I guess I'm just jealous of other peoples ability to remember what is to me photographic memory level of insignificant things!
But for me, it wasn't significant. I know you were not belittling, but the wheel of time books were a huge part of my life. I was fascinated with this world Jordan created and the level of detail he put in his books. The amount of foreshadowing and the payoff in book 7 from something mentioned in book 1. Every time I reread the series, I caught something new.
Even this last re-read a few months ago, there was an aspect about the black Ajah in the tower that never occurred to me until now. I won't bore you with the details, but it just adds to the depth.
I was 14 when the first book came out and I religiously was reading the books until the memory of light finished in 2013 - 24 years or so.
As you can imagine, I have high hopes for the show.
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
After what I posted I should be the last person to listen to, but I would say books 1-4 are definite re-reads and skip 5-8. I stopped after 8 because it sucked so hard. Consensus seems to be to read summaries of 5-11 and then read Sanderson's ending three novels.BenFiasco14 said:
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
Edit: Personally, I"m going to read summaries of 1-11 and then read Sanderson's books.
I haven't decided what I'm gonna do, if anything, to refresh myself.
But if I wanted to skim some of the middle books, I would read the first few, use Tor.com for summary/rereads of the middle books, then finish with full reads of probably just the 3 Sanderson books. (although I had trouble when I looked yesterday finding the specific Leigha Butler reread I used...looks different now on their site)
But if I wanted to skim some of the middle books, I would read the first few, use Tor.com for summary/rereads of the middle books, then finish with full reads of probably just the 3 Sanderson books. (although I had trouble when I looked yesterday finding the specific Leigha Butler reread I used...looks different now on their site)
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Wow. I didn't realize that 5 episodes a book was the plan. That's honestly not encouraging.
In that case you're probably right about episode 1.
I too am confused by this and hope it translates... I'm guessing it won't seem as bad as it sounds given the amount of detail RJ used throughout.
I'm not as up to date in my knowledge of how each book ended/started into the next. I'm wondering if it will be a hard count 5 episodes per book, or if they start to expound on certain things more and it gets thrown out the window. 5 episodes roughly per book, 13 books, would be 65 episodes in all. There were 73 GoT episodes, although there really should have been more.
Has there been any info released about what their long term plans for the series are?
I can definitely see them condensing or removing some plot lines.
While Jordan spent pages describing clothing and scenery, you can capture all of that in a few seconds on TV. I think the middle books can relatively easily fit two per season. Even putting three in one season.
For a re-read, and I'm the wrong person to ask, I would not skip any books. Even the slower books in the series have some fun / significant chapters that impact the story. I don't want to get to spoilery, but you would miss some amazing chapters and battles if you skip over a book or two.
Book 7 / 8 when it starts to slow down. I would at least read through book 6 (lord of chaos) before going to summaries.
While Jordan spent pages describing clothing and scenery, you can capture all of that in a few seconds on TV. I think the middle books can relatively easily fit two per season. Even putting three in one season.
For a re-read, and I'm the wrong person to ask, I would not skip any books. Even the slower books in the series have some fun / significant chapters that impact the story. I don't want to get to spoilery, but you would miss some amazing chapters and battles if you skip over a book or two.
Book 7 / 8 when it starts to slow down. I would at least read through book 6 (lord of chaos) before going to summaries.
Chipotlemonger said:MiniShrike said:
Wow. I didn't realize that 5 episodes a book was the plan. That's honestly not encouraging.
In that case you're probably right about episode 1.
I too am confused by this and hope it translates... I'm guessing it won't seem as bad as it sounds given the amount of detail RJ used throughout.
I'm not as up to date in my knowledge of how each book ended/started into the next. I'm wondering if it will be a hard count 5 episodes per book, or if they start to expound on certain things more and it gets thrown out the window. 5 episodes roughly per book, 13 books, would be 65 episodes in all. There were 73 GoT episodes, although there really should have been more.
Has there been any info released about what their long term plans for the series are?
As far as long term plans, Amazon is looking at WoT and the new LotR to be a tent pole. I imagine they will at least commit to two seasons to see the response unless season 1 totally bombs.
YouBet said:After what I posted I should be the last person to listen to, but I would say books 1-4 are definite re-reads and skip 5-8. I stopped after 8 because it sucked so hard. Consensus seems to be to read summaries of 5-11 and then read Sanderson's ending three novels.BenFiasco14 said:
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
Edit: Personally, I"m going to read summaries of 1-11 and then read Sanderson's books.
I'd bump the must re-read to books 1-6. How can you leave out the "Kneel, or you will be knelt" scene? Book 7 is where the slog begins, and I took to skipping over most of the Nynaeve and Elayne chapters are that point.
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While I agree wholeheartedly with the Battle of Dumai's Wells being one of the best scenes in the series, in my last re-read in 2018 (and yes, I read every book each time when a new one was published) I skipped the Perrin / Faille/Sevanna arc, because stop whining and who gives a ***** The ONLY reason for that is Masema and the religious undertones and his eventual compulsion to the Shadow.Claude! said:YouBet said:After what I posted I should be the last person to listen to, but I would say books 1-4 are definite re-reads and skip 5-8. I stopped after 8 because it sucked so hard. Consensus seems to be to read summaries of 5-11 and then read Sanderson's ending three novels.BenFiasco14 said:
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
Edit: Personally, I"m going to read summaries of 1-11 and then read Sanderson's books.
I'd bump the must re-read to books 1-6. How can you leave out the "Kneel, or you will be knelt" scene? Book 7 is where the slog begins, and I took to skipping over most of the Nynaeve and Elayne chapters are that point.
Nynave/Elayne, while both annoying, at least advance the narrative. The Bowl of the Winds matters. Healing gentling/stilling matters. Cleansing Saidin is crucial. Ultimately Mat's medallion saves the day.
But Perrin? His whole arc outside the wolf-dream is pointless.
MiniShrike said:While I agree wholeheartedly with the Battle of Dumai's Wells being one of the best scenes in the series, in my last re-read in 2018 (and yes, I read every book each time when a new one was published) I skipped the Perrin / Faille/Sevanna arc, because stop whining and who gives a ***** The ONLY reason for that is Masema and the religious undertones and his eventual compulsion to the Shadow.Claude! said:YouBet said:After what I posted I should be the last person to listen to, but I would say books 1-4 are definite re-reads and skip 5-8. I stopped after 8 because it sucked so hard. Consensus seems to be to read summaries of 5-11 and then read Sanderson's ending three novels.BenFiasco14 said:
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
Edit: Personally, I"m going to read summaries of 1-11 and then read Sanderson's books.
I'd bump the must re-read to books 1-6. How can you leave out the "Kneel, or you will be knelt" scene? Book 7 is where the slog begins, and I took to skipping over most of the Nynaeve and Elayne chapters are that point.
Nynave/Elayne, while both annoying, at least advance the narrative. The Bowl of the Winds matters. Healing gentling/stilling matters. Cleansing Saidin is crucial. Ultimately Mat's medallion saves the day.
But Perrin? His whole arc outside the wolf-dream is pointless.
Sanderson saved Perrin's entire storyline. He was wallowing in irrelevance until he got turned into a magic-ax-forging-wolf-running-dream-teleporting badass
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Because I remember nothing about that and have no idea what you are talking about!Claude! said:YouBet said:After what I posted I should be the last person to listen to, but I would say books 1-4 are definite re-reads and skip 5-8. I stopped after 8 because it sucked so hard. Consensus seems to be to read summaries of 5-11 and then read Sanderson's ending three novels.BenFiasco14 said:
Well all this talk of the books has me considering a re-read as well. I haven't read them since the last book came out and I finished it.
If doing a reread, I suppose a lot between maybe 4, for sure 5-10 or so can be trimmed down or skipped right? Anyone got suggestions insofar as that?
Edit: Personally, I"m going to read summaries of 1-11 and then read Sanderson's books.
I'd bump the must re-read to books 1-6. How can you leave out the "Kneel, or you will be knelt" scene? Book 7 is where the slog begins, and I took to skipping over most of the Nynaeve and Elayne chapters are that point.
Well, I am just finishing up a re-read, so it's fresh in my mind. It's from the very end of Lord of Chaos when **** goes down at Dumai's Wells.
I don't remember Dumai's Wells either. Here is the extent of what I remember about WoT (granted it would all come back to me if I reread the whole thing):Claude! said:
Well, I am just finishing up a re-read, so it's fresh in my mind. It's from the very end of Lord of Chaos when **** goes down at Dumai's Wells.
- The Aiel are badasses and live in a desert.
- Nynaneve tugs her hair a lot.
- Lan is a badass bodyguard and loves Moiraine (I think, at least that's what I remember).
- Perrin is a werewolf?
- Matt has some kind of power unique to him.
- Rand is a ticking time bomb.
- Rand and Egwene hook up?
- Egwene ends up having powers.
- There was some kickass, epic battle in book 2 or 3 with some people who live in the sea or on an island. Seachan?
That is my third grader recollection of a 14 novel series of which I read 8 books.
Nailed it.
YouBet said:I don't remember Dumai's Wells either. Here is the extent of what I remember about WoT (granted it would all come back to me if I reread the whole thing):Claude! said:
Well, I am just finishing up a re-read, so it's fresh in my mind. It's from the very end of Lord of Chaos when **** goes down at Dumai's Wells.
- The Aiel are badasses and live in a desert.
- Nynaneve tugs her hair a lot.
- Lan is a badass bodyguard and loves Moiraine (I think, at least that's what I remember).
- Perrin is a werewolf?
- Matt has some kind of power unique to him.
- Rand is a ticking time bomb.
- Rand and Egwene hook up?
- Egwene ends up having powers.
- There was some kickass, epic battle in book 2 or 3 with some people who live in the sea or on an island. Seachan?
That is my third grader recollection of a 14 novel series of which I read 8 books.
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Really nailed it.
Dumais Wells i hope has the same effect for the viewers as it does for readers. It's the first time we see the power used as a weapon in a war like environment and it's absolutely brutal. Up until that point the aes Sedai and aiel wise ones don't use it as a weapon. Then we get a very graphic visual of the ashaman literally popping heads and ripping people apart. I hope they do it justice in the show; make that significant leap to a new world where armies can unleash that kind of power, total game changer.
Edit: added spoiler tag just in case.
Edit: added spoiler tag just in case.
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That's a solid observation and it leads me to a question which I'm sure has been answered - what is the intended rating of WOT? I never thought of the story as MA but it assuredly is. Dumai's Wells HAS to be a WTF did I just see moment that we talk about for years, right?
Its been a while, but was Dumai's Wells before or after Falme? I remembered the Seanchan using their Powered slaves to kill people before the crazy black cloaks did.
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An another question for all - is this a spoiler thread with the assumption that folks have read the entire series? Or do we use spoiler tags for anything beyond Book 1?
I'm down for whatever, but consensus might be good since we've had several folks stop by who never finished the books.
I'm down for whatever, but consensus might be good since we've had several folks stop by who never finished the books.
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